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All Forum Posts by: Peter Walther

Peter Walther has started 31 posts and replied 1580 times.

Post: REO cannot get title insurance

Peter WaltherPosted
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Originally posted by @Rich Hupper:

Great information everyone. Thank you. I think I am going to make an offer an deal with the eviction after I own it. I will definitely attempt to do cash for keys before going down the eviction road and add that to my costs.

@Peter Walther would my attorney be able to determine if the foreclosure effectively extinguished the previous owners equity in the property, upon a title examination?

I just want to note I will be buying this property with cash. I will not be financing it.

 Your attorney should be able to review the pleadings and determine the status of the foreclosure and if the Borrower raised any defenses in the litigation.  However that doesn't mean that when you try to evict the occupant(s) won't raise defenses that should have been raised in the foreclosure.  Sometimes the eviction court will enter an Order of eviction anyway but I've seen eviction courts decide that if the argument is over title they don't have jurisdiction and dismiss the eviction action.  Talk to your attorney for his/her advice.

Post: REO cannot get title insurance

Peter WaltherPosted
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You should be able to get a title insurance but it will probably have an exception for parties in possession of the property. All to frequently the Borrower claims the foreclosure is defective because of some defect in the proceedings. I've often seen situations where the Borrower/Defendant claims the foreclosure did not extinguish their interest in the property and they are entitled to remain in the property. Often I see an REO sale on line where the bidders are told not to disturb the occupants. Nothing screams problem when the seller tells you someone is in the property post foreclosure but please don't bother them. Several of the national policy issuing title agents are owned by a mortgage servicing company that has a vested interested in getting someone to buy the property knowing there's someone in the property but assuming all they have to do is bring an eviction. It happens all the time.

Post: how to get ex-son in law to add his soon to be ex-wife to title

Peter WaltherPosted
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If your daughter is represented in the divorce (s)he would be in the best position to advise your daughter.  I think the disposition of the property would be part of the marital settlement agreement.

Post: Investment purchase... Warranty Deed... should I be worried???

Peter WaltherPosted
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Originally posted by @Lynnette E.:
Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

@Patrick Spearman Being able to get title insurance is Much more important than the type of deed offered.

I’ve bought multiple properties by Wuit Claim (which assures me of nothing) and foreclosure auction properties (no guarantees whatsoever) and got title insurance on all of them. 
Besides, the Warranty part of a warranty deed simply says the seller will warrant the condition of title, and fix any problems later found.....for whatever that may be worth. 

Wayne,  How do you get title insurance on property bought through a foreclosure auction?  I bought my first 'on the county steps' property a few months back, but there was not anyway to have any conditions about anything for the auction.  Before the auction I checked the title with an online service and knew what the foreclosure situation was, and took the chance.  But there was not a method to actually get title insurance.  How do you do it?  I'd like to get it if that was possible...even now.

You can purchase title insurance even after you purchased the property, just talk with a local title insurance company.  Also ask them about issuing a title commitment to you before you bid at the next sale.  Good luck.

Post: Where can I do title search for property at Sherriff Sale?

Peter WaltherPosted
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Yes, it's my understanding junior interest that are properly properly noticed are extinguished.  Municipal, state and federal liens are not.  I'm not an attorney and this is not legal advice.  I would strongly recommend you invest the time and money speaking with a competent NJ attorney to understand the process thoroughly before bidding.  Good luck. 

Post: Where can I do title search for property at Sherriff Sale?

Peter WaltherPosted
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Originally posted by @Anne Williams:

@Peter Walther, I hear what you are saying and I totally agree...I would totally go the route of using the attorney if this was a guaranteed purchase. The money would make no difference to me if I knew going in I would be well protected. The issue is this is all a gamble because I could very well get out bitted at the auction and would have wasted my time and funds...

Technically I would still have to get an attorney if I did win it.. but to pay up front with so many uncertainties is the issue. I guess I'm most concerned with what happens post winning the bid. If there are liens, judgments that do survive the auction, would my attorney then be obligated to fight and remove them or will I just have to pay them?  Can all issues against the property still be wiped out then or am I just responsible if my $75 title search did not report these surprises that turn up? 

If there are still liens/judgments that come up in the pre-auction search could they still be cleared later on or would it be best to pass on the property?

Anne the problem is that if you bid and win you take title subject to any matters not extinguished by the sale.  The sale will only extinguish matters which are junior to the creditor asking the Sheriff to sell the property matter that have been properly served.  Unless there is a defect in the sale process itself you don't get to have the title searched and examined after the sale and then back out if you don't like it.  Have you spoken with the attorney and title agent about what you get for your money?

Post: Inherited Building next to lawyer - he thinks he owns part

Peter WaltherPosted
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Originally posted by @Deanna O.:

As odd as it sounds, it's possible that BOTH parties might be "right" about the property lines.

I own rentals in a town that was built during the gold rush. The older part of town was surveyed twice, however the surveys didn't line up and there is a 3 ft north/south difference between the two. Needless to say this has caused a fair bit of conflict over the years.

Fortunately the properties I own were built much later and have clean, clear, well-mapped lot lines. 

You're absolutely right Deanna, overlaps between property descriptions happen all to frequently, often as a result of different surveyors using different reference points when doing the field work on neighboring properties.  On the other hand, I once worked on a title claim where a dozen houses were built straddling lot lines because the original surveyor came off the wrong marker when surveying the lots.

Post: Investment purchase... Warranty Deed... should I be worried???

Peter WaltherPosted
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It is just as easy to forge a signature on a Warranty Deed as it is a Quit Claim Deed.  Is Wayne correct, is this property being auctioned rather than a traditional sale?  He's correct that if it is an auction and you win the bid you'll probably get a Special Warranty Deed from the Grantor.  That type of deed limits the Grantor's liability to any infirmities in the title created by the Grantor, much less protection than a WD.  In addition, even with a WD the indemnification is only as good as the party giving it.

Post: Where can I do title search for property at Sherriff Sale?

Peter WaltherPosted
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The old adage that you get what you pay for holds true here.  First, searching the title is only one variable, the other is the examination of the instruments that are found.  Unless you have extensive experience searching and examining titles in there county where the property lies I'd recommend you don't try to do it yourself.

I assume the attorney is offering to search and examine the title and issue you an attorney's opinion of title and the title company is offering to sell you a title report. If I'm correct, of the two I believe the attorney's opinion is better because the attorney and more importantly his E&O carrier, if he has one, would have liability for a covered loss you might suffer for relying on his opinion. The title report on the other hand, as I wrote earlier, probably has a nominal cap on liability for mistakes. I suspect that's why there's a difference in price. I may be mistaken and the title company is offering to issue a commitment for the $75 but you should confirm with both exactly what your getting for your money.

The reason I'm strongly recommending you get a title commitment is because if you bid on the property based on the attorney's opinion or a title report and win and later find out there's a encumbrance on the property which you weren't told about and was not extinguished by the Sheriff's sale then you can only look to recover your loss from the attorney or title company under the terms of the opinion or title report.  If you get a title commitment and rely on it to buy the property you should be able to recover a covered loss from the title insurance underwriter.  In addition, you'll want to be sure of what restrictions and easements will survive the sale and you would take title subject to.

I'm not an attorney and this is not intended to be legal advice, it's my opinion based on my years of handling title insurance claims across the country for various underwriters.  I hope this helps.

Post: Title Company/Escrow Questions

Peter WaltherPosted
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I've never been comfortable with the term investor friendly.  If you're looking for a title company that will bend or break the rules to help me the investor I assume they might bend or break the rules for someone else when I'm on the receiving end.  Search for title companies online and read the reviews, join a local real estate investor's group and see who they recommend.