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All Forum Posts by: Tony Pellettieri

Tony Pellettieri has started 17 posts and replied 136 times.

Post: Charlotte Realtor & Investor, looking to network with the Bigger Pockets community.

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Just stop on in. I’ll be going tomorrow morning. I’ll be in jeans and a gray blazer. 

Post: NEWBIE FIRST DEAL-FLIP What is your opinion on these funding strategies? Next steps?

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Quote from @Kaitlyn Aragon:
Quote from @Matthew Porcaro:
Quote from @Kaitlyn Aragon:
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Kaitlyn Aragon

i think i posted in your other thread, but did you rule out house hacking, or a live in flip?  i can't remember.

a big flip is just a very risky way to get started... a house hack or a live in flip are lower risk (not no risk, but lower risk.)

miscellaneous reactions

-you don't buy a flip with a DSCR loan - if you converted it to a BRRRR, you would refi into a DSCR loan.  you'd use the DSCR loan to pay off the hard money loan.

-"if you find the deal the money will find you" - once you're an experienced operator, not on your first.  so yep, don't trust that.  

-no one is going to save you if you buy a bad deal.  you'll have to pay back whatever loan you take out.  say you think you can sell for 300K or whatever the case is, but comps are at 250K when you're done.  that hard money loan is still due.  period.  they couldn't care less that you misread the comps - you'll have to cover whatever the difference is with your own cash.

-the best flips generally are not on market. so if you're looking at on-market deals with an agent... you're probably wasting your time. once a while something will come along and go on the MLS but in general distressed properties are sold off market.

-it's not just about losing money, it's about time and effort.  say you budget for a 3 month rehab and it takes 7 and you break even after you sell.  great, you haven't lost money... but you wasted 7 months.

hope this helps

I did rule out house hacking unless it would be a duplex - which has been proven to be difficult to find here in Charlotte. I did not rule out living in a flip - I am actually looking more into a 203K loan. I don't necessarily love the idea of being tied down to a house for a year but if it is what gets me started then i'm willing. Thanks for that info about the DSCR loan - that makes much more sense. Do you have any suggestions to find more off market properties? I have been put on some wholesalers lists but you have to act very fast and without much time to evaluate the property. 





 I know a year may seem like a long time, but remember real estate investing is a long game. When I got my first duplex using a 203k, especially it being a fixer upper, the renovation alone took almost 8 months to complete. I wasn't in the property very long until I had the ability to refinance and continue on my journey. 

Dollar for dollar its the best way to start and your money will go a lot longer in the long term. 

As far as finding properties off market, I wouldn't focus too much on wholesalsers if you're looking to do a 203k or homestyle reno loan. I'd focus on agent outreach. Go to zillow and sort by lowest prices in your market. Call every single listing agent (include pending sales) and let them know your criteria. Keep them on a list and follow up with them. If there are agents that are receptive, invite them to coffee or a lunch and build those relationships. 

My flipping business was entirely built on agent relationships. At the end of the day they're the ones that get the lowest hanging fruit. 

Other off-market strategies work, but you have to be willing to put the time, money, and effort into sticking with it long enough to see results. 


Hey Matthew, Thanks for your response! I am quickly learning how much of a "long game" REI really is. I have been gaining momentum for three years and I often think if I had just pulled the trigger years ago I would be in a much better position. BUT looking forward. I am glad your 203K investment worked out - gives me hope for mine!

I am currently working with 2 agents and I am looking to reach out to more once my funding is locked in. Thanks for the advise on how to go about that. Relationships have gotten me more movement than any mentorship I've been in so I agree!

203K Loans can be helpful but can take much away from the bottom line as there are many fees, similar to those of a hard money loan, that are incorporated into the loan on the back end for inspections, draws, follow up, etc, often times +/- $10k-$15k, depending on the size of the loan/rehab budget. Just something to be aware of.

Personally, I'd recommend a HM Rehab Loan, over a 203k loan, as the draw fees are usually only around $100 each, and you can send pictures over to the HML to gain access to your draws. As you'll find, traditional financing, especially FHA, can be a real pain in the butt. So many hoops to jump through, and more so for the less savvy real estate investor.

Post: I see the house but not the plan why is that?

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@Lutfiyya Portier

Welcome to Bigger Pockets! We live/invest in the Charlotte/surrounding areas.

Opportunity is in the Eye of the Beholder

There is much to learn, especially when just getting started and I would encourage you to invest some time in your education.

I've found Audible Audiobooks are a great resource to learn from. I use Audible daily. I can listen to books and educate myself on whatever I want while at the gym, in the car, etc.

If you'd like some recommendations, let me know what area of real estate you're interested in. I have 200+ books in my audible library and they have helped me tremendously.

If you're interested in attending a local REIA meeting there is a great one in Matthews, NC I attend weekly and would recommend. It's located at Jonathan's on Tuesday mornings 8am - 10630 Independence Pointe Pkwy, Matthews, NC 28105

I also just started a meet up on Wednesday Mornings. Rock Hill Diner on Cherry Road, Rock Hill, SC 29732 8am.

Feel free to reach out if there's anything I can do to help you.

Good Luck!

Post: Just Getting Started

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@Omar McCrorey

Welcome to Bigger Pockets! We live/invest in the Charlotte/surrounding areas.

There is much to learn, especially when just getting started and I would encourage you to invest some time in your education.

I've found Audible Audiobooks are a great resource to learn from. I use Audible daily. I can listen to books and educate myself on whatever I want while at the gym, in the car, etc.

If you'd like some recommendations, let me know what area of real estate you're interested in. I have 200+ books in my audible library and they have helped me tremendously.

If you're interested in attending a local REIA meeting there is a great one in Matthews, NC I attend weekly and would recommend. It's located at Jonathan's on Tuesday mornings 8am - 10630 Independence Pointe Pkwy, Matthews, NC 28105

I also just started a meet up on Wednesday Mornings. Rock Hill Diner on Cherry Road, Rock Hill, SC 29732 8am.

Feel free to reach out if there's anything I can do to help you.

Good Luck!

Post: How to analyze rehab for a BRRR investment

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@Justin Brown

There is much to learn, especially when just getting started and I would encourage you to invest some time in your education.

I've found Audible Audiobooks are a great resource to learn from. I use Audible daily. I can listen to books and educate myself on whatever I want while at the gym, in the car, etc.

A couple I'd recommend to you based on your post are..

FLIP - How to Find, Fix, and Sell Houses for Profit

The Book on Flipping Houses How to Buy, Rehab, and Resell Residential Properties

This book is not currently available on Audible but a must read

The Book on Estimating Rehab Costs - J Scott

Bigger Pockets has become one of my best resources. I encourage you to get involved, ask questions, be open to feedback, and allow other seasoned investors to help guide you along your journey of Real Estate Investing.

I'd also check out local REIA meetings, this can be a great place to get to know other investors in your area and network with people.

One other recommendation... do a JV with a seasoned investor so you can jump in the passenger seat to see how it's done first hand. This experience and the knowledge you'll obtain early on in your investing career is invaluable.

Best of Luck!

Post: Charlotte Realtor & Investor, looking to network with the Bigger Pockets community.

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@Jason Michael Coulthard,

I'm an investor located just South of Charlotte in Tega Cay, SC. We're investing heavily outside of Charlotte in more rural areas within about an hour or so from the city. If you're looking for good Morning Meet Ups to meet other investors, here's a couple.

Tuesday 8AM - Jonathans Restaurant Matthews, NC

Wednesday 8:30AM Rock Hill Diner Rock Hill, SC (We Host this Group)

We practice the BRRRR method and have a full team. Shooting for 50-100+ Deals/Doors in 2024. UC on our 4th deal(1st Creative Finance JV), 3 doors, 2 of which are New Construction. Open to JVs!

Post: Looking for inspection company recommendation in Charlotte, NC

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Quote from @Shak F.:

Hello, 

I am buying an investment property for a first time from my agent. In this case, my agent is actually the seller. 


Does anyone have recommendation of any good inspection companies around Charlotte, NC?

Thankyou


Hey Shak,

I see you're buying your 1st Investment Property! Congratulations on entering the arena.

Have you allowed any other investors the opportunity to vet the property/deal you're purchasing from your agent to make sure you're getting a good deal?

While I truly hope you are getting a good deal, I see it as a possible conflict of interest being that your agent Is selling you your first investment property. Not implying your agent is taking advantage of your beginner knowledge just to offload a property and get dual agency commissions, but again, might not be the worst idea in the world to have someone in the Bigger Pockets community who's local/understands the Charlotte market to take a look at the deal you're getting ready to move forward on.

As far as inspectors, I would recommend one that we use for our business that is in the Charlotte/surrounding areas.

Precision Inspection Services - Steven Lee - 704-575-2917

Post: I’m still learning about rental investing

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Hey Sara,

Sounds like you're considering using Traditional Financing. There are many other loan products available in addition to Creative Financing methods you can learn about that don't look at your DTI and are "asset based".

The ideal loan product really just depends on what strategy you're looking to implement, BRRRR, Fix/Flip, Short Term Rentals, etc...

HMLs(Hard Money Loans) can be helpful for Acquisition but depending on the price of the property, the fees can eat up much of your profit, especially if there's not much "meat on the bones". While HMLs advertise Points & Interest rates, you'll see there are MANY more Fees associated with this type of loan product, in addition to a lien being placed on your property and a short timeline typically to operate within before they foreclose if you're not able to exit/repay the loan. This is why having a SOLID plan in place is essential.

401(k) Loans - My partner utilized this for our initial round of funding. You can borrow up to 50% of the cash value and you pay the interest back to yourself. Great Source!

DSCR loans are the GOLDEN eggs! Depending on the lender, your seasoning time will vary and determine, how much cash you can pull out overall. Some lenders will lend as low as $50K but again, the fees % in proportion to the loan amount will be high. DSCR loans are asset based, not personal DTI, and can in ideal conditions allow you to pull all of your money back out of the deal and then some, or a lot more. While they don't look at your DTI, they will, at least initially while building a relationship with the lender, check your credit score which will affect your rate.

Business Line of Credit - Most banks will want to see you in business for 12-18 months before issuing you a Business LOC. Great source of capital once you're able to acquire it. Overall low interest rate relative to other similar lending products.

I think continuing education and knowledge is a great base while you increase your overall experience. Have you listened to or read any books on investing yet? If not, or if theres an area you'd like to learn more about, let me know and I'd be happy to recommend something.

Best of Luck!

Tony

Post: Is 7.5% too high for investment property if I have great W2 and excellent credit scor

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@Shak F.

Sounds like you're considering using Traditional Financing. There are many other loan products available in addition to Creative Financing methods that will allow you to keep much of that money in your pocket to get involved in more future deals sooner.

It really just depends what strategy you're looking to implement, BRRRR, Fix/Flip, Short Term Rentals, etc...

Have you considered adding value to the properties you're Acquiring? Or are you only considering TurnKey/Ready to Rent properties?

I think continuing education and knowledge is a great base while you increase your overall experience. Have you listened to or read any books on investing yet? If not, or if theres an area you'd like to learn more about, let me know and I'd be happy to recommend something.

Good Luck!

Tony

Post: NEWBIE FIRST DEAL-FLIP What is your opinion on these funding strategies? Next steps?

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@Kaitlyn Aragon

Hey Kaitlyn, I see you're adjusting your strategy... As you should be while you're positioning yourself to move forward on your 1st Investment. BP, as you're experiencing, is full of experienced investors willing to help guide you along the way. Keep doing what you're doing in that Regard.

We started with the Initial Fix/Flip strategy as well. About 2 weeks ago, we've decided to hold 99% of our Acquisitions local to the Charlotte area due to the High Growth this area is experiencing. Future appreciation is very likely and personally, I'd like our business to capitalize on that appreciation.

We initially looked towards investing in Charlotte, NC. The competition is currently too great for us. We are focusing on areas 45min-1hr outside of Charlotte. Much less competition in these areas, more distressed properties/sellers, higher % spreads in between Acquisition Cost / ARV, and less capital intensive overall to name just a few reasons.

HMLs can be helpful for Acquisition but depending on the price of the property, the fees can eat up much of your profit, especially if there's not much "meat on the bones". While HMLs advertise Points & Interest rates, you'll see there are MANY more Fees associated with this type of loan product, in addition to a lien being placed on your property and a short timeline typically to operate within before they foreclose if you're not able to exit/repay the loan. This is why having a SOLID plan in place is essential.

401(k) - My partner utilized this for our initial round of funding. You can borrow up to 50% of the cash value and you pay the interest back to yourself. Great Source!

DSCR loans are the GOLDEN eggs! Depending on the lender, your seasoning time will vary and determine, how much cash you can pull out overall. Some lenders will lend as low as $50K but again, the fees % in proportion to the loan amount will be high. DSCR loans are asset based, not personal DTI, and can in ideal conditions allow you to pull all of your money back out of the deal and then some, or a lot more. While they don't look at your DTI, they will, at least initially while building a relationship with the lender, check your credit score which will affect your rate.

Line of Credit - Most banks will want to see you in business for 12-18 months before issuing you a Business LOC. Great source of capital once you're able to acquire it. Overall low interest rate relative to other similar lending products.

Business Credit Card - A great way to start establishing your business credit. I would recommend opening a business account after creating your LLC at a LOCAL portfolio lender bank. These banks are relationship based and much of the underwriting process for issuing personal/business loans is kept in house. Using the big banks such as BofA, Wells, Etc can put you at a slight disadvantage if you don't have a rock solid credit score, and a long history with them, while you're getting started.

"If you find the deal, the money will find you" - So much truth in this saying with just one caveat.... Only if the Money knows about your Deal, and if the Money thinks you have the capability in navigating to a successful outcome of that Deal.

My advice to you would be keep doing what you're doing. Keep analyzing deals, studying the market, going to REIA meetings, getting involved and networking with other investors. I had a bit of an untypical start in my investing career, but I would also recommend bringing a deal to an experienced investor in the area you're looking to learn/invest in to observe the process of what a successful project looks like start to finish. This experience early on will be invaluable.

Good Luck!

Tony