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All Forum Posts by: Peter Hagemann

Peter Hagemann has started 3 posts and replied 29 times.

Post: Manasota Key Englewood Florida 4 Plex For Sale

Peter HagemannPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Englewood, FL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

Discover the best-kept secret on Manasota Key with this meticulously renovated fourplex, offering the perfect blend of modern comfort and 'old Florida' charm. Completely updated in 2017, this property boasts all-new hurricane impact windows and doors, electrical, plumbing, water heater, metal roof, drop ceiling for A/C in lower units, spray foam insulation, appliances, cabinetry, granite countertops, ceilings, and flooring.

Owner will consider owner finance. 65% down

Post: Buying a property that is not for Sale

Peter HagemannPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Englewood, FL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

I am interested in a property that I have 2 properties a 5 and 6 flex adjacent on one side and a 4 plex adjacent on the other side of desired property.

From what I understand the current owner is 86 years old lives in Ft Walton beach in the Florida Panhandle 8 hours north of subject property, he has never seen the property and received it in an inheritance when his father had passed away.

Sent the owner a personal letter telling him who I am and what we have been doing to the properties, total renovation to these 1950s buildings and if he would be interested in selling. 

owner responded with a voice mail to wife that he might be interested in selling in future and he would keep us in mind.

A couple months went by heard nothing else.

Sent him a unsolicited offer of 2.25 million that felt was a fair offer based on several other properties that have sold in the area.

Never got a response.

Had a conversation with his Real Estate lawyer over a neighborhood issue, told lawyer that I had sent a offer, lawyer said she talked to him and only response was "Might sell for right price" 

Have not been able to engage conversation to find out what " Right Price " might be.

I am kind anxious  One, because of his age, 86 years old. Two, because there are a couple of other properties on my radar.

If I buy one of the other properties and he comes back 6 months to a year later and says he will sell probably won't be able to. Only so much money to go around. His property is my # 1 choice.

Have thought bought driving 8 hours north to knock on door to introduce myself in person. Wife thinks might be creepy, Thought about Sending another letter to see if I could come up and and take him out to lunch or dinner to get to know one another .

It's been 6 months since 1st Letter introducing myself.

Looking for thoughts or suggestions.

Pete

Post: Financing your Airbnb

Peter HagemannPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Englewood, FL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

I worked out a deal as mentioned above, of leasing out 5 rentals and doing Vacation Rental out of them.

Little background first.

We currently have 8 vacation rentals up and running here in Manasota Key Englewood Florida 2 quadplex units, we are finishing up rehab on a 5 plex, just purchased a 6 plex ( purchased owner financing) that we will be rehabbing this year to have ready for next season January thru March 2020, with will give us 19 units, that are already booked for the 2020 season.

be more than happy to explain how we obtained 19 units in a 3 year time frame.

But back to the leasing of 5 units

Gentleman down the street sees how we have been renovating our above properties, show him how we are furnishing them and renting them out as Vacation Rentals and doing very well.

Neighbor has 7 plex, was only interested in doing annual rentals here on Manasota Key (does not want to be bothered with Vacation Rentals. He had rehabbed this property which is on the Gulf about 7 years ago. was asking $2400-2500 a month for annual rentals. As I have mentioned in other threads in resort towns like Manasota Key it is hard to find annual rental tenants that can afford that kind of rent. Most annual renters here are restaurant workers or people tied to tourism or retirees.

In the 3 years that we have known this gentleman he has only had one renter that lasted for 4 month before she told him that she could not afford the rent.

Gentleman does not need the money, but finally figured he still could make some money off of his property.

So he approached me and asked if we would manage vacation rentals in his unit for him.

I told him I was not interested in managing for him but if he was interested in renting to me and let me sub lease to do Vacation Rentals my self we might have a deal.

He said he would rent 5 units out of 7 since he wants one for himself an 1 unit for family members when they visit.

So I said give me a price for all 5 units to lease.

He came back at $2200 a month if I rented all 5 units.

I told him that would work.

I then asked, how about if I give you one year rent upfront on 5 units, 

We finally agreed on $100,000 up front for annual lease of 5 units.

That works out to $1667 a month per unit , what's that work out to? around 32% savings on rent

So I am renting 1 unit for $20,000 a year

Based on what our other 1 bedroom properties are renting for and with this property on being right on the beach I am planning on gross rents in the neighborhood of $35,000 to $50,000 per unit, using the lower end and conserved number of $35,000 I would be looking at a return on my $20,000 rental of each unit in the neighborhood of 75%

I will spend about $8000.00 furnishing out each of these units (we go after the higher end market (Marriott, Ritz Carlton cliental ) so even at $35,000 - $8000 id be looking at $27,000 giving me a return of $35% and that's for the first year with the second year going back up to the 75% return.

This has turned out to be a win for him with what I figure is a rough 5% return on a $2 million dollar property that he was not able to rent on a annual basis, he has no headache doing vacation rentals.

The negative for me is I am building no equity, yet making a great return on my investment.

Post: Estimating vacation rentals revenue during an economic downturn

Peter HagemannPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Englewood, FL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

In response to Jon

Hopefully it's like coffee , everybody will drink coffee in good times or bad, 

Just might not be Starbucks :)

Post: Estimating vacation rentals revenue during an economic downturn

Peter HagemannPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Englewood, FL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

Ryan

When looking at a property that I think I could use for STR I always have a backup.

My backup is if the economy went south or the county changes their mind on STR can the long term market handle the mortgage on the property.

Down here in Manasota Key, Englewood Florida there are quite a few homes for sale close to the beach. Most of theses single family homes would require a mortgage payment of $2400 or higher. The median range for long term rent in the area is $1000 to $1400. There is not enough high paying jobs in the beach area to support $2400 and up payments.

that is the reason I have gone with the multi family units, we have 13 units and soon to have 19, all could be rented for $1000 a month in a economic down turn and I could still pay the mortgage and make a profit.

Post: Vacation Rental Southern Florida

Peter HagemannPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Englewood, FL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

We have 13 units (soon to be 19) STR in Manasota Key, Charlotte County west coast of Florida

Charlotte County is very STR friendly and looking up and down the South West coast of Florida Manasota Key is by far the cheapest real estate.

Post: Can you mortgage a property in Self-Directed IRA

Peter HagemannPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Englewood, FL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

Thank you Brian

Post: Can you mortgage a property in Self-Directed IRA

Peter HagemannPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Englewood, FL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

Found this older thread, was wondering if there is any restrictions on using a Self Directed IRA for a seller finance mortgage.

I am looking at a 6 plex right now where the owner is willing to seller finance with a 20% down payment.

Was thinking I would use my Self Directed IRA for the 20% down. With the property then being in the Self Directed IRA

Pete

Post: Vacation Renatls Advertising platforms

Peter HagemannPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Englewood, FL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

Betsey

We have listed our properties on Google Business .

Since doing that, we are running about 50/50 of people coming directly to our web site and going through HomeAway ,VRBO or Trip Advisor or Flip Key

Our Season is almost 85% word of mouth. which really helps cut down booking fees.

We have seen and been told that during season once guest find a place they book for the following year because if they don't they won't be able to get in.

We have been doing this going on 3 seasons now, when we bought the place we inherited a couple of guest that have been staying on the property. Our longest will be here now 11 years and rents for 3 months.

Post: How Time Consuming Are Vacation Rentals?

Peter HagemannPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Englewood, FL
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 21

Just throwing this out

750 Hours

That what you need a year for Active real estate investor compared to passive real estate investor.

With our 13 properties we have no problem meeting the 750 hours a year.

No tax accountant, but it sure helps being a Active Real Estate Investor when it comes to tax time

The numbers up top are about right for answering and booking people into our units. Then you have to think about scheduling cleaners, maintenance on units. First year is easiest to get the 750 hours setting up units for rental