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All Forum Posts by: Paul Moore

Paul Moore has started 9 posts and replied 1383 times.

Post: Preferred Equity passive investing - multi-family. Is the Juice worth the Squeeze?

Paul Moore
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  • Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager
  • Lynchburg, VA
  • Posts 1,478
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Hey @Paul Azad and others. I just saw this, and though I am 5 months late to the party, I want to answer some of these questions for the record.

As a disclaimer, I want to mention that every investment has risk and there is no guarantee of any return on this investment or any other investment. And note that this investment is closed to new investors, so it is unavailable now (it filled up in 3 business days). Our investments are available for accredited investors only.

The targeted returns are net of all fees. So, the ongoing net cash yield of 6.5% to 8% is net to investors. And the total projected return of 14% to 15% is net to investors (rather than 11.2% - you would be correct if those fees had to come out). @Evan Polaski was correct about this being net.

Note that we also held back $3.9 million of the $5.5 million raised in this sidecar, so there was only about $1.6 million “at risk” originally. And this means that we are earning interest at ~ 4.5% to 5% or so on the balance we are holding back. That all goes into the return (as a “bonus”).

There is about 20% in common equity in first-loss position behind us. Meaning the asset could lose 20% or so of its value before impacting our position.

The asset was purchased for $20.2 million with assumed fixed Fannie Mae debt at 4.91% (term through 3/2034).

There was a good bit of understandable discussion about the terms…how we mitigate risk for ourselves and investors. Here are a few bullets on this topic:

  • 1. Full return of capital & accrued upside to pref equity before common equity gets distributions from capital events, including return of capital
  • 2. Wellings preferred equity receives the same depreciation allocation as common equity, and sidecar investors receive a K-1 annually
  • 3. Forced sale rights in the event of pending lender foreclosure
  • 4. Holdback of capital improvement budget to be released in draws as work is completed per Wellings’ unilateral approval plus annual budget approval rights
  • 5. While no technical control rights due to FNMA requirements, the budget approval process gives Wellings “the power of the purse”

@Evan Polaski was correct again in saying that we do not provide rescue capital and we definitely don’t raise pref equity to bail out our own troubled deals. And that we had to get a higher return to offer this net return to investors. And that we have to underwrite an enormous number of deals to make a few pencil. Last year we looked at 515 operators and deals and only invested in 11. And we already knew 7 of those operators!

So why on earth would someone pay us about 17% total for preferred equity. There are a lot of potential reasons.

  1. 1. The sponsor can take us out after a few years. This will give the sponsor and/or the LP investors significant additional ownership. If they are long-term holders, this can be significantly accretive to their wealth.
  2. 2. Preferred equity allows the sponsor to assume a low-interest loan that they can keep in place for about a decade. The math makes sense.
  3. 3. This experienced sponsor “knows” they can invest our capital to raise rents and revenue at a level higher than the cost of capital. This asset has clear intrinsic value/value-add potential that is hard to acquire in multifamily these days.

Last, @Ned Carey, I agree with you. I recommend everyone get Brian’s book. Brian is a friend, and he lives out what he wrote! 

And if you're planning to invest in CRE passively, check out www.passivepockets.com – it just went live today!

Post: GP Advice? Maintaining Communication With Passive Partners (When NOT in a deal)

Paul Moore
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  • Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager
  • Lynchburg, VA
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Thanks so much, Taylor!  Honored.  That's very kind of you...

Post: I Need Some Advice / Thoughts

Paul Moore
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  • Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager
  • Lynchburg, VA
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Hi @Kris Bano.  
You’re in a great spot with options. I’ve spoken to hundreds of investors in your shoes. Many of them have gone down a variety of roads that involve some level of active management. almost everyone I’ve spoken to, over time, reverts to a desire for Passive Investing.  basically exactly what Chris Seveney proposed above. 

Yeah there are yeah a lot of resources that can assist you if you go down this road:

1. Brian Burke’s excellent BP book, “The Hands-Off Investor.”  It will teach you the very important skills and techniques you need to perform due diligence on a passive investment.
It will teach you the very important skills and techniques you need to perform due diligence or a passive investment.

2. The White Coat Investor. This is a community of about 80,000 medical professionals who share ideas on investing. About 12,000 of them specifically invest in real estate.

There is more.  Feel free to reach out to me for ideas.  

Where are you in Michigan?  My family lived in Royal Oak and that area for a decade.  

Best Wishes!



Post: Job Opening at Commercial Rest Estate Investment Firm

Paul Moore
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  • Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager
  • Lynchburg, VA
  • Posts 1,478
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We are #hiring an Investment Analyst! The Investment Analyst will play a critical role in driving investment underwriting and closing of new operators, investments, and joint ventures. This can be a remote role. Here is the link to learn more and apply: https://apply.workable.com/wellings-capital/j/D7FA419C22/

Post: Should I withdrawal my 401K to expand real estate portfolio

Paul Moore
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  • Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager
  • Lynchburg, VA
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Hi @Saqib Raja! You got a lot of advice above and it's been about a month. Have you decided what to do yet? Clearly there is not one right answer. But if you're going to take a 30% hit, you better be getting a phenomenal deal with lots of hidden intrinsic value when you make a purchase. I would not purchase at market values under any circumstance. Good luck and happy investing!

Post: 100k to invest looking for direction

Paul Moore
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  • Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager
  • Lynchburg, VA
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Hi @Jef A.! You mentioned above that you have a W2 job and it sounds like you must be quite successful to have paid down loans and saved that much money. Congratulations! My take after well over 20 years of investing in real estate is that if you want to continue to enjoy a great and profitable career and also have a life, that you consider taking @Jim Pfeifer's advice. I would highly recommend passive investing which will allow the experts to take the risk and acquire the debt and manage the toilets, tenants and trash. If you decide to go that way it's critical that you find a community and do a lot of due diligence on operators and the investments. You can do that through Left Field Investors. You may also want to check out Brian Burkes' excellent book The Hands-Off Investor. Good luck and happy investing!

Post: Connecting with investors

Paul Moore
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  • Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager
  • Lynchburg, VA
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Hi @Nicholas Burch! I've been full time real estate investing for well over 20 years. For me personally, I like a hands-off passive investment. In fact, that is the only type I would even consider. Ironically, the more experience I have, the more I want to be passive. Maybe I am just getting older but the hassle of toilets, tenants and trash are just not worth it. I would rather have a diversified portfolio run by expert asset managers. Good luck and happy investing!

Post: Accredited and looking for a syndication deal

Paul Moore
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  • Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager
  • Lynchburg, VA
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Hi @Scott Holland! Due diligence on the syndicator or the fund manager is by far the most important issue at stake. It sounds like you are off to a good start by asking this question. 

I recommend that you join a community to find and vet the best operators and investment opportunities. @Jim Pfeifer's Left Field Investors is a community I can highly recommend. They have a great community dedicated to vetting operators, just like you are talking about.

You may also want to pick up Brian Burke's outstanding book, The Hands-Off Investor. This BP book has a wealth of information that will help you vet operators and deals. 

I recommend you check out Ian Ippolito's Private Investor Club. This site contains thousands of reviews of various syndicators, fund managers and more. It's gold! 

As a new passive investor, I recommend you do everything in your power to learn all you can about syndicators and fund managers, and be ready to walk away quickly if everything doesn't check out. Good luck and happy investing!

Post: Strategies with high interest rates

Paul Moore
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  • Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager
  • Lynchburg, VA
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Hi @Drew C Grossman! You got a lot of great feedback here. I would recommend that you fund recession resistant assets that have a lot of intrinsic value baked in. Many of these can be acquired from mom-and-pop sellers. There are many examples. Some could include mobile home and RV parks. Happy Investing! 

Post: (New) to Multifamily Investing

Paul Moore
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  • Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager
  • Lynchburg, VA
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Hi @Timothy Davis! It's been a while since you posted this and I wish I would have seen it sooner. I'm thankful for what you did with the Special Olympics. A wonderful event for sure!

I'd be happy to send you a free PDF copy of my book on multifamily investing or you can grab it on Amazon. I would also be happy to have you join me on my next weekly mentor call. It's free and there are no strings attached...I'm not selling coaching or mentoring, just trying to help out. Good luck and happy investing!