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All Forum Posts by: Paul Merriwether

Paul Merriwether has started 2 posts and replied 132 times.

@Arlen Chou  >> Adams Point area of Oakland. <<  My first apartment in 1971 was a 1 bedroom furnished. I was paying $187/mth. The address was 162 Montecito Ave. just up the street from Fairyland. The Wholefoods store was a Cadillac dealership at that time. I think those units have been converted to condo's. 

$770,000 seems pretty low for that area. Yes that appears to be a great price. I'm going to assume they are 1bd units. If the SF's homes work out as planned just 10 homes @ $600/mth in month 61 will be producing $6,000/mth cashflow with NO maintenance / landlord issues except evictions if tenant buyers don't pay. 50 homes $30,000/mth. Scott did a count and he owns 178 homes. Homes purchased with OPM. Keep us abreast of your sons deal.

I too felt it was a bad deal thus I sold for $23k. Yet Joey knew what I didn't and sold it in a matter of days for $79,000 on contract for deed. People eager to own a home in STL. 

Wishing your son & you continued success. 

Post: New to real estate investment

Paul MerriwetherPosted
  • Investor
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 134
  • Votes 73

@Becca F.   Another to consider ... Properties on Oakland's hills are no longer desirable because of fire hazards. Insurance companies canceling and raising rates at a rapid pace. Also should a fire happen difficulty in getting out on those very small streets. Electricity being cut off way to often because of failing trees. Soaring taxes on these and now not being able to transfer property to children at death without the property being reevaluated. Unless the child lives in the home Prop 19. Affects all CA properties. Hits the wealthiest areas the hardest.  

Post: New to real estate investment

Paul MerriwetherPosted
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  • Oakland, CA
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@Becca F.

Class A Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+, zero evictions in last 7 years.

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This is FAR from being the truth in the Bay Area. Buying a property in Oakland in any area IMO means negative cashflow. 
UNLESS they put down A lot of money! Lately we can no longer count on rapid appreciation. In terms of the 1% rule, that is a joke. 

Trying to define SFR into classes really bothers me. Oakland's worst areas long term, in terms of appreciation will IMO produce far more wealth than properties in Indiana and many other parts of the country. I've seen these small homes in a crime area go from $10k-$15k to $500,000. It's only a matter of time they'll be over a million. Speaking in terms of classes for SFR is racist IMO. Poor people live in those areas and are generally minorities, people of color. Yet those people in Oakland that live in many of those homes have far more wealth than the people in your Class A homes in Indiana. Why? Because the homes were inherited and possibly has zero loans on them. Defining properties by CLASS should be left to Commercial properties.

Realty Mogul defines property class

>>What is Class A, Class B, or Class C property?

A common question we receive from our investors is what do properties marketed as Class A, Class B and Class C mean, and why does it matter? To begin, investors, lenders and brokers have developed property classifications to make it easier to communicate amongst themselves about the quality and rating of a property quickly. For investors, property class is an important factor to consider because each class represents a different level of risk and return. Investors can use these differences about property class types to consider how each property fits within their strategy of investing, such as return objectives and amount of risk they are willing to accept in order to achieve those returns.

Each property classification reflects a different risk and return because the properties are graded according to a combination of geographical and physical characteristics. These letter grades are assigned to properties after considering a combination of factors such as age of the property, location of the property, tenant income levels, growth prospects, appreciation, amenities, and rental income. There is no precise formula by which properties are placed into classes, but here is a breakdown of the most common classes, A, B and C:

Class A

These properties represent the highest quality buildings in their market and area. They are generally newer properties built within the last 15 years with top amenities, high-income earning tenants and low vacancy rates. Class A buildings are well-located in the market and are typically professionally managed. Additionally, they typically demand the highest rent with little or no deferred maintenance issues.

Class B

These properties are one step down from Class A and are generally older, tend to have lower income tenants, and may or may not be professionally managed. Rental income is typically lower than Class A, and there may be some deferred maintenance issues. Mostly, these buildings are well-maintained and many investors see these as "value-add" investment opportunities because the properties can be upgraded to Class B+ or Class A through renovations and improvements to common areas. Buyers are generally able to acquire these properties at a higher CAP Rate than a comparable Class A property because these properties are viewed as riskier than Class A.

Class C

Class C properties are typically more than 20 years old and located in less than desirable locations. These properties are generally in need of renovation, such as updating the building infrastructure to bring it up-to-date. As a result, Class C buildings tend to have the lowest rental rates in a market with other Class A or Class B properties. Some Class C properties need significant reposting to get to steady cash flows for investors.

What does this mean for investors?

It is important for investors to understand that each class of property represents a different level of risk and reward. Class A provides investors with more security by knowing that they are investing in top tier properties, with little or no outstanding issues requiring further capital expenditures. However, despite better property conditions, Class A can be sensitive in times of a recession if high income earners suffer from increased unemployment.

Class B and C properties tend to be bought and sold at higher CAP rates than Class A, as investors are paid for taking on the additional risk of an investing in an older property with lower income tenants, or a property in a lower income neighborhood.

The property class investors choose can have a great deal of influence on the stability of an investment over time, as well as its growth appreciation. For investors looking for capital preservation, Class A may be the right investment. For investors looking for capital appreciation, Class B and C may be better investments for that specific risk profile.

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When discussing classes of properties SFR are not talked about in terms of cap ratings.

Post: New to real estate investment

Paul MerriwetherPosted
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  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 134
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@Pavan Muralidhara 

BP has great people, video's, articles  ... YET this site won't make you money in today's world. BP is OLD school real estate I'm sorry to say. 
From a group I'm in:
EX:  Sandie >> Another one filled! Just closed on a house yesterday and already filled it. We purchased this one for $34k. We sold it today for $3500 down, $1050/month @ $96,500! << 

EX: Eric >> This week I closed on 2 homes. Both had tenants and both tenants want to stay and buy it. Going to close with both of them this week at my attorneys office. Both were bought with a land trust. Here are the numbers: House #3:Purchase price: $26kSale price: $59kMonthly: $950.00Down payment: His $950 rent security deposit and he agreed to an extra $337.50/month for the 1st 12 months. House #4:Purchase price: $28k Sale price: $59k Monthly: $950.00 Down payment: Her $800 rent security deposit and agreed to an extra $100/month for 36 months for the remainder of the security deposit.<< 

You too can buy and make MONEY in RE and get 1% for rents! Start with Zillow and locate those areas. It's NOT about the Bay Area! 

Best to you! 








 

Post: New to real estate investment

Paul MerriwetherPosted
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  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 134
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@Becca F. Please describe class A,B,C homes. I thought Classes only applied to commercial property. 

Why in the world is a 6% CAP RATE in today's world a good deal?
When you can get 5.30% om 12mth CD's? NO tenants, no repairs, no closing costs, no rent control just passive income for putting your money in a CD. 

If a 6% cap was good before rates JUMPED. And rent control hadn't increased, how can it be good now with rates almost triple? Rents have not soared. Maintenance costs have SOARED!  Lets not forget costs to the tenant that moves out. 

@Arlen Chou  Read Scott Jelinek's Slow Flip book or his audio. Amazon. 

Why? I bought a foreclosed home is Saint Louis for $31,200. I called to insure it. I had to replace the roof $6k & cut the grass $1200. It was filled with crap that cost ne another $3,000. All said and done I was into this home for approx $45k. STL CTY has a occupancy inspection requirement. This home would never pass. Bottom Line I had to get rid of it. I sold to one of Scott's students for $23k. Within 2 days he sells it for $69k & gets $3000 down seller financed. So why waste time & money on Oakland 4plex when that student bought over 100 homes last yr with the same simple process! Their goal finance their homes OPM, pay them off within 5 yr's to collect the cashflow starting in mth 61. 

Post: In need of advice

Paul MerriwetherPosted
  • Investor
  • Oakland, CA
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@Karliz Ramirez  Go to Amazon get Scott Jelinek's Slow Flip. 

@Petronella Kerssens  Do not bet on appreciation. Buy Scott Jelinek book or audio on Amazon and learn about Slow Flipping. Learn to buy cheap homes little to no money down then flip those cheap homes to others that can't for what ever reason buy a home but want to own one. Scott told our group yesterday he did a count and now owns 178 properties. 
His program can work in your backyard! How does it work? You buy, then finance that new owner. One of his students bought more than 100 homes last yr. Good luck to you!

@Carolyn McBride >> I understand it will mitigate any future settlement and further damage).<< If they told you that ... they LIED!!! This is California, earthquake country. You can pay that $40k and the very next day your home could be tilted even more. IMO our older homes like mine at 99 yr's have slopped floors. That tower in San Fran is tilting! 
It is, what it is in the Bay Area. Flooring is flexible ... it should work OK. 

You could try lifting up just that one corner like you would a car. Then cap the foundation in that area. That's basically what I did on the rear and one side of my home. My quote was $50k. I did it for maybe $2,000 and my labor. 

I actually jacked my home up as if it were a car.! :)