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Updated 12 months ago on . Most recent reply
Is 6CAP 4+plex asking too much for in Larger Bay Area++?
It's 2024, Rates have been eating at investors. 99% of listings have tenants underpaying rent by 50%. Sellers are giving 3CAP. Counties make it insanely hard to catch up to market rates.
Is it too much to expect a 6CAP?
What expectations are you guys aiming for? Please share the deals you've already executed.
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@Muhammad Soroya I have been saying this for years, BP advice does not work in the Bay Area. This market and it's submarkets are a different beast. There are true 6 CAP and better deals out there right now, but you have to work hard to find them. The reality is that new investors will not get the phone calls from selling agents. Buyers who have a track record of closing get the calls first. That is just a fact of the BA.
Also the pain threshold, for the buyer, in the Bay Area must be substantially higher. If you want to find deals with upside potential, you must be able to move fast to lock the deal and be willing to fight to close.
Here is a current example:
My son is going through one of these right now. It is a 4-plex in the Adams Point area of Oakland. 3 minute walk to Whole Foods. All units are empty, and it is in really good shape for a hundred year old building. It also comes with a 3 car garage and a couple of usable patio/decks for the upper units. Contract price is $770,000 (asking price). Best part is that all units are empty and livable. This deal is a short sale and was on the market for about 24 hrs. We made the offer without seeing the same day we got the call from our agent. We could only do this because we know the area very well and know that the market value of the property is much higher.
Offer was made in October of 2023 and we were second inline, even though we made the offer the day the property listed. First place guy fell through, due to financing, in November and we took first position. Due to seller, his bank and his title company, we are still waiting to close. The downside is my son's cash has been tied up for months, but we own the contract and assuming we close, there will be an immediate $250k+ of application baked into the deal. I won't go to deep into short sales, but there are a ton of additional costs that are associated with a deal like this. However, the tax basis will be a low $770,000. Obviously this is an added bonus to the deal.
Don't get discouraged and keep looking. BP makes it sounds like everyone is hitting home-runs all day everyday. The reality is at the beginning of your journey you should be happy to get on base. Build up your team, prove to agents that you are a closer and they will bring you better deals. This is easy in some markets where properties are in the 6 digit range, much harder here in the BA.
I wish you the best of luck!
-Arlen