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All Forum Posts by: Paul Klei

Paul Klei has started 3 posts and replied 57 times.

Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Paul Klei

If you have the land with a long term lease this is no different then if a vendor came and put a Starbucks on it.

You absolutely could get financing for this once the lease is executed


 Interesting. I had never looked at it that way. Should I approach the lease like a commercial lease?  An escalation provision with an annual set percentage increase, for example. 

Quote from @Shane H.:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Paul Klei

If you have the land with a long term lease this is no different then if a vendor came and put a Starbucks on it.

You absolutely could get financing for this once the lease is executed

Do Starbucks leases normally have a clause that allows them to cancel the lease with 30 days notice for profitability at their sole discretion? 


 That brings up a concern of mine. There is language in the boilerplate lease that allows them to stop/lower rent payments or remove the billboard if they determine profitability has become diminished. If this cannot be removed entirely, this can perhaps be mitigated with a minimum base ground rent. But there is also a clause that allows the termination of the lease. I am unsure how to mitigate this or if it is even possible to have it removed or altered.  What's your experience with these clauses? 

Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Shane H.:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Paul Klei

If you have the land with a long term lease this is no different then if a vendor came and put a Starbucks on it.

You absolutely could get financing for this once the lease is executed

Do Starbucks leases normally have a clause that allows them to cancel the lease with 30 days notice for profitability at their sole discretion? 


 NO. But starbucks lease is one of the most complex leases on the planet. You need an attorney that can review this for you. This sounds like a month to month lease is what they want - that will change the game and would not be in your best interest as banks will want to see a long term lease.

you want an attorney who has dealt with billboard leases in the past, not sure where to find one but google is a good start. 

They want at least a 25-50 year lease. Their boilerplate lease is an initial 15-year term, followed by two 30-year terms, followed by a year-to-year option not to exceed an additional 30 years. 

Quote from @Shane H.:
Quote from @Paul Klei:

Yes it is. I want to structure the lease very carefully to give myself monetization options. 

Okay. So I’m not sure what company you’re working with, but they’re normally not super negotiable. Obviously anything can be negotiated, but they have a pretty strict model and they follow it. 

Was that a made up number for conversations sake? The 15 million. Or did they actually offer that to you? Because if you have a $2,000 property that is going to pay you 200k for a sign, that’s like winning the lottery. Traffic count must be super high. If it’s an actual offer congratulations. And they are offering yearly payment in that amount? That’s usually in the monthly payment range. 

I have never received pushback when valuing mine at a reasonable cap rate. But  listing them on my financial statement, not directly borrowing against them as collateral. So if you are buying another property that’s serving as collateral and listing this property at its new value with an income based appraisal I don’t see why it would be an issue. But if you borrow direct against the lease I think that you will receive pushback as you don’t own the structure, they can cancel it and take the structure with them and the bank is back to taking a 2k property if you default. I’ll be following to see if anyone else has worked this out. 

Negotiating was their idea. The exact numbers have yet to be hammered out but traffic count/views, the company's rate card, and a 15-20% base ground rent gives us a decent annual payment. No, it is not 200k, but when escalation and/or revenue-sharing provisions are included, over the span of a 75-year lease the math adds up to quite a bit. A single percentage point could make the difference between a 4M, 8M, or 15M gross lease. And obviously that is an accumulative number. Hence my desire to structure the lease to be as long/large as possible to then sell/borrow against it, rather than take the annual payments. However, if I was able to borrow against the land itself by claiming the advertising company as a tenant, I would do that instead. You said you have received never received pushback when valuing yours at a reasonable cap rate - what was that cap rate? 

Yes it is. I want to structure the lease very carefully to give myself monetization options. 

Interesting idea. Yes, I do own the land that the billboard will be built on. The land, however, has a rather low appraisal. Unless the billboard will cause the appraisal to grow exponentially, I would not have access to nearly as much capital (i.e., $1800 land appraisal vs $15M+ gross lease). I'm looking for a straight asset collateral lender. Does that exist for this type of asset class? 

I am negotiating a billboard lease. I want to structure the lease to best facilitate a loan against the lease's income. I'm considering a 75-year lease with annual payments, escalators and perhaps revenue-sharing. Does anyone know of a lender/type of lender that will accept billboard income as collateral?