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All Forum Posts by: Paul Klei

Paul Klei has started 3 posts and replied 57 times.

Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Paul Klei:

Capital is tight and credit has suffered. So I'm looking for true hard money financing underwritten exclusively to the property. 

Your Comments: "Last year I had multiple breaches of contract that lost/cost me a lot of money. Funds are allocated to attorneys and care for elderly parents"
doesn't instill confidence that you know what you are doing.

Why should I/we risk our hard earned money in a walking disaster? Not you personally, but that is how your appeal comes across.

Tell us what makes us feel good about putting money into the project and how that will benefit us. Why will this work and what is our return?

Most people respond better when they know what the zip code is and what makes it good deal.

Happy to answer. 

The buyer breached the contracts. Not me. 

I need lenders who will work with the structure I'm seeking. I provided the numbers, I don't think it's wise to give away the location of the properties. I'm happy to provide those details to a lender privately. 

A lender makes money from interest. They underwrite risk according to a property's ability to cover the debt service, rather than qualifications of the borrower. The property is collateralized to further lower risk. So, as I stated in my post, these deals have high DSCR and a low LTV requirements. That's the definition of a good deal.

Post: Starting out with no cash?? What would you do?

Paul KleiPosted
  • Investor
  • Texas
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Shawn Krieger:
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Adam York:
Quote from @Cliff Benner:

I would say save up, like everyone else is saying. I invested with no money and it shot me in the foot. I had a lot of other things I did wrong that happens to most rookies, but no money to help correction those issues and got stuck in a scenario that stopped everything I wanted to do in life.

Im pretty sure I was the worst case scenario that people come up with, and I wish I would have saved more money then I did, I talked about it on the BP podcast #610 if you want to hear more about it. 

But you are on the right track, start educating, budget your finances, attend meet ups, talk to lends to see what options they have. Don't be stagnant because of funds, maybe you find a seller finance deal while learning and they are ok with no down payment.


 Thanks Cliff, I'll definitely check out that episode.

Be careful. Unfortunately from what I have reviewed about the "subto community" and the "elephant challenge" they do not tell you about the downsides that would have your wife and kids wondering what kind of fool would do these things. Just because a clock is right twice a day, doesn't mean that it's working the rest of the day. Beware of what you don't know and what they aren't telling. Someone posted a nice primer at https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/1060320-usin...

 I'd start with that as a guideline.


 i have a couple seller financed deals but i still need equity partners for closing costs and fees 

If you can't afford the closing costs and fees, how are you going to make the mortgage payments, insurance and taxes to the seller? Just curious.

Hopefully the properties he's looking at are income-producing and the NOI can carry the debt service, etc. Lenders look at DSCR, debt service coverage ratio. DSCR = NOI divided by the amount due to the lender/seller. If the NOI is 100,000 and the debt service is 50,000 then the DSCR would be 2, meaning that the property makes twice as much as necessary to cover the payments.

Post: Low Down payment financing options

Paul KleiPosted
  • Investor
  • Texas
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Ryan Muska:
Quote from @Joe Snyder:

Thanks for the info. So 20-25% is the boat I would be in. What's the best way you have found to find other partners to raise capital for down payments?


 Some lenders allow for 15% down payment on investment properties.

Investor meetups or private money is a good way to build capital


Several hard money lenders have confirmed to me that as long as the purchase price (or down payment presumably) is below their LTV threshold, then the purchase would technically be 100% funded. Any experience with / idea about the feasibility of that?

I've got several active projects: multifamily, motels/hotels, self-storage. Solid NOI and DSCR. Could handle aggressive interest rates. Easy to add value and refinance/cash out. Properties either have or will have 3rd-party management.


Example: 

Hotel

Keys: 49

NOI: 278k

Asking: 2,650,000 - 40% down

Loan amount: 1,060,000

DSCR: 2.62 at 10%, 1.31 at 20%

Flag: Unflagged but green light from Motel 6, Super 8 and Best Western.

Value add: Bring rack rate to market. Flag. 

ADR, revpar: N/A off the top of my head.

I've had a few lenders show interest but they are slow to respond and I don't know whether they are reliable. It's been confirmed to me that if the purchase price is under their LTV threshold (the hotel above would be 40% LTV), then the purchase would technically be 100% funded - that's the structure I'm presently seeking*. I've got brokers on the line who have persuaded their clients to lower their asking to a certain LTV, or, sellers offering owner financing. In that case I would just need the down payment to be under the lender's LTV, and the seller would be in the junior position. I've seen the financials and I've done the negotiating. I need reliable hard money lenders to jump on these turn-key deals. I'm more concerned with acquisition than with personal cash flow, so I only need the NOI to be able to service the debt, at whatever interest rate gets the deal done, with enough spread to also pay the seller if necessary. I'm also willing to give preferred equity. *I've been in real estate for+/- six years, working exclusively with land. That had been my sole income. Last year I had multiple breaches of contract that lost/cost me a lot of money. Funds are allocated to attorneys and care for elderly parents. Capital is tight and credit has suffered. So I'm looking for true hard money financing underwritten exclusively to the property.

Post: Starting out with no cash?? What would you do?

Paul KleiPosted
  • Investor
  • Texas
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Andrew Postell:

@Adam York thanks for the post here.  Several things to consider but I want to hit on your 4 "questions" here if you don't mind.

2. Hard Money - Hard Money is a great option for many of us. You've got to find the deal. And know how to rehab. Oh, and don't forget to factor in holding costs and closing costs. Kind of a lot to know this route....but if having $70k to buy a "turn key" property is impossible, then what's my option? So even though this method is HARD...the other way is impossible. If trying the BRRRR method then try it on a home that doesn't have too much rehab. This might mean you have to come out of pocket about $30k (local market dependent) so even going this route won't mean "zero out of pocket". Just something to keep in mind.

I've spoken to a few lenders who confirmed that if the purchase price is under their LTV threshold, then the purchase would be 100% funded. Any experience with that? I've got a few brokers on the line who have persuaded their clients to lower their asking to a certain LTV, or, sellers offering owner financing. So I would just need the down payment to be under the lender's LTV, and the seller would be in the junior position. I just need to find reliable hard money lenders to help me jump on these deals.

Post: Best Lending/Financing Options for New Investor

Paul KleiPosted
  • Investor
  • Texas
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Ryan Davies:

Heres how most hard money works:

  • • Rates: 10% to 14% (Most Deals are 12%)
  • Terms: 1 Day - 24 Months (Most Deals are 6 months)
  • Fees: 3-5 points(%) of loan amount (Most Deals are 3 points(%)) - $2500 minimum fee
  • Minimum Loan Amount: $75,000
  • Max Loan: 65-70% of After Repair Value(ARV)
  • 100% Rehab Financing Available (Most Deals require 10-20% of purchase price down or cross-collateral)
  • Closing Timeframe: 48 Hours - 3 Weeks (Most Deals are 7-10 business days)
  • NO PRIMARY RESIDENCES, NON-OWNER OCCUPIED ONLY, BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL USE ONLY.

I've spoken to a few lenders who confirmed that as long as the purchase price is below their LTV threshold the purchase would be 100% funded. That's the structure I'm looking for. Any experience with that?

They've agreed to a base rent + revenue sharing, but they won't do an annual escalation as well. It's one or the other because "inflation will level off and if we enter a recession, it may even decline." Of course inflation will level off but it will not drop to zero, certainly not for a 75-year lease term. Between 1960 and 2022 it went up 903% overall. I'm trying to determine if base rent with a revenue share will account for inflation, or if I need to push for an escalation clause. If inflation goes up, prices go up, their revenue goes up, and my revenue goes up. But if somehow their revenue does not go up, my revenue is set at the base rent, without escalation and no additional revenue check, and inflation eats away at the base rent.

Quote from @Shane H.:
Quote from @Paul Klei:

Would you mind elaborating on this? What is the revenue share that you would receive if base rent was breached? How is yours structured? If, for example, your base rent is 20%/$5000, and years later 20% is worth $10,000, do you receive a revenue check for the extra $5000? 


 Correct. Obviously you’re going to read your lease language and ensure it says that. 


 What language is used in your lease? Something like "Lessor is entitled to any revenue above and beyond base rent, totaling and not to exceed 20% of Lessee's gross revenue"? 

Would you mind elaborating on this? What is the revenue share that you would receive if base rent was breached? How is yours structured? If, for example, your base rent is 20%/$5000, and years later 20% is worth $10,000, do you receive a revenue check for the extra $5000? 

I'm asking these same questions rhetorically to box them in to agreeing to different terms. For example, they want to pay annually in advance, beginning immediately after construction. But if it's 20% of revenue, and there won't have been any revenue yet, what would they be basing it on? Obviously they are doing some math behind the scenes that makes the situation more negotiable.