J Scott,
We'll just have to agree to disagree on some things. However, I would hope that on several issues you would at least be open to alternative views.
With respect to "climate gate" there are plenty more sources of information on that.- including the scientist at the center of the scandal, Phil "Hide The Decline" Jones himself.
Below are quotes from Mr. Jones. They are not from Rush Limbaugh, or Exxon Mobile. They are from Phil Jones:
Asked about whether he lost track of data, Professor Jones said: ‘There is some truth in that. We do have a trail of where the weather stations have come from but it’s probably not as good as it should be.
‘There’s a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on their data then issue improved data, so it can be very difficult. We have improved but we have to improve more.’
He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced similar warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said these could be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent warming could not.
He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no ‘statistically significant’ warming, although he argued this was a blip rather than the long-term trend.
However, we have to be very careful that we are not naive. This means that conservatives have to avoid being pulled into a scientific debate that is truly more of a political and religious debate.
Proponents of global warming are a diverse bunch to be sure, and not all think the same way- but at the core of the "movement" are basically people who seek the destruction of the western capitalist economic model.
This is not in dispute, by the way- it's just fact.
The reason I hope we can agree that there's more to global warming than science, and the reason it is so critical to promoters of the theory that it be "man-made" even if they have to use the "nature trick" or "hide the decline" is that it's not their scientific careers that hang in the balance, but an entire world-wide political agenda.
To all- if you can make sense of this single issue to your lib friends- you will shatter the foundations of their belief system, and you will begin to unwind their cloudy thinking.
The key to converting liberals is to help them understand that they are the useful idiots for a handful of political elites who ultimately seek their destruction.