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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Roberts

Patrick Roberts has started 4 posts and replied 639 times.

Post: Looking to network with likeminded people

Patrick Roberts
#4 Creative Real Estate Financing Contributor
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Hey Evan,

I live in Charleston, and my office is out of Columbia. I'm fairly active in both markets. Happy to connect!

Post: Fix-and-Flip Turned Bond-for-Deed

Patrick Roberts
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Do you plan to hold the bond for deed, or sell it?

Post: Ex-Spouse Sandbagging on Mortgage

Patrick Roberts
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Quote from @Candice Packard:

Hello,

I'm looking for help. My abusive ex husband was awarded one of our properties. We leased that home out to Section 8. The rent payments once came to me and I paid the mortgage with that rent. He took the Mediation Agreement for our divorce to the section 8 office and submitted a new Form 1099 to the office that now has the rent payments coming to him. He is pocketing the rent payments and not paying the mortgage with those payments. Unfortunately, my name is still on the mortgage. I am trying to see two things. 1. How do I remove my name from the mortgage while we wait for the final divorce decree (if that's even possible)? 2. How do I protect myself from him sandbagging on the mortgage while I wait for the final divorce decree? I believe that the VA loan is in my name. I believe need a final divorce decree in order for him to assume the loan, but I don't think he will do that because he is am trying to finally abuse me. Thanks for any help.


Lawyer time. If this is in fact a VA loan, the performance on it will affect your CoE so long as that loan is tied to your CoE. This could have an impact on your ability to get another VA loan in the future. This is also going to destroy your credit. I would not waste time on this - take action immediately.

Might not hurt to call the servicer and see if some kind of forbearance program is available to pause payments until the divorce is resolved so that the mortgage lates dont wreck your credit. 

Post: Lender Instructions for Private Party Loan

Patrick Roberts
#4 Creative Real Estate Financing Contributor
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Quote from @Pat Arneson:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

Are you the lender or the borrower in this situation? It's the lender's responsibility to provide the note, the mortgage/DOT, and any other documents that may be required. The lender should be sending over a package containing all of the prepared documents, along with instructions on what needs to be executed, as well as reviewing for effective execution prior to wiring/releasing funds. I would not rely on Title to draft these or to advise on title commitment/title policy as Title typically represents the insurer. I dont know CA's rules and customs, but my experience is that the Title/Closing attorney does not represent the lender's interests. If they botch something, it's the lender's problem to deal with.

Another thing, if the lender doesnt provide written closing instructions, the closing protection letter goes out the window. I believe not having written instructions has some impact on the lender's ability to go after the attorney/title company if get jack up the closing, as well, but I'm not 100% on this. My understanding is that if the closing instructions are followed, then the lender has no recourse against Title/E&O claims for any mishaps that result from Title following the directions. This is not a generic form I'd pull from a random source.

Hey Patrick, thanks for your insight! I am the borrower. Why would escrow/title need the note for the purchase? This is a private individual, what are these "required" documents and who is requiring them? Aside from loan position, prepayment of taxes (if any), prepayment of interest (if any), what else should the lender be mindful of?


My guess is that Title is preparing the DOT for the lender and needs the terms from the note. Could also be that they need the terms for the title commitment.

As far as required documents goes, this will vary by lender and the level of sophistication. At a bare minimum, there should be a note, deed of trust, hazard insurance policy with mortgagee clause either paid at closing or verified as paid up and in good standing, lender's title policy. 

Most lender's who know what theyre doing are going to require at least the following (just off the top of my head):

- tax certification from Title and/or payment of taxes at closing

- copy of valid identification and affidavit of any AKAs

- affidavit of non-owner occupancy/business purpose use

- borrower auth and certifications to release and verify

- pledge/collateralization of leases/rents

- copy of Title/attorney E&O insurance

- if an entity holds title/is the borrower, then: personal guarantee, articles of org/incorp, certificate of existence/good standing, operating agreement, corporate resolution to authorize borrowing if there is more than one member, possibly a UCC1

Post: Lender Instructions for Private Party Loan

Patrick Roberts
#4 Creative Real Estate Financing Contributor
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  • Charleston, SC
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Are you the lender or the borrower in this situation? It's the lender's responsibility to provide the note, the mortgage/DOT, and any other documents that may be required. The lender should be sending over a package containing all of the prepared documents, along with instructions on what needs to be executed, as well as reviewing for effective execution prior to wiring/releasing funds. I would not rely on Title to draft these or to advise on title commitment/title policy as Title typically represents the insurer. I dont know CA's rules and customs, but my experience is that the Title/Closing attorney does not represent the lender's interests. If they botch something, it's the lender's problem to deal with.

Another thing, if the lender doesnt provide written closing instructions, the closing protection letter goes out the window. I believe not having written instructions has some impact on the lender's ability to go after the attorney/title company if get jack up the closing, as well, but I'm not 100% on this. My understanding is that if the closing instructions are followed, then the lender has no recourse against Title/E&O claims for any mishaps that result from Title following the directions. This is not a generic form I'd pull from a random source.

Post: Non recourse loan lenders for rental real estate

Patrick Roberts
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Quote from @AJ Exner:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
Quote from @AJ Exner:

@Kaushik Sarkar

There are not many, but I do know of one that is doing pretty good work at 70% leverage right now. They just redid their legal wording to help ensure non-recourse for SD-IRA.

Just sent a DM, would love to connect and help if possible.

Good luck!

70% LTV on nonrecourse? That's wild. Is this a newer product for them, or have they been doing this for a while?


Yeah, they had some wording during 2024 that made it "non"-recourse (my wording, not theirs) but had some limitations even with it being eligible through an SDIRA. 

That being said, they shored up the language and have made it a great SDIRA non-recourse option that is top of the line at maximizing that kind of leverage.

And we definitely agree, I wish I had more clients that knew of the kind of benefits something like this provides!


Interesting. Typically nonrecourse debt caps around 55-60% LTV. This is the first lender I've heard of going to 70%.

Post: Building A Team Around Jackson, MS and Baton Rouge/New Orleans

Patrick Roberts
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Baton Rouge has a decent REI meetup every month on the first Tuesday. It's called Red Stick REI. Not sure where youre located, but if youre nearby, it's worth attending. I believe Title-2-Land also hosts a monthly meetup call the RING or something like that. I know Nola has a few decent meetups, but I've never attended any of them. I stay focused on the BR area as far as Louisiana goes.

Post: Non recourse loan lenders for rental real estate

Patrick Roberts
#4 Creative Real Estate Financing Contributor
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  • Charleston, SC
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Quote from @AJ Exner:

@Kaushik Sarkar

There are not many, but I do know of one that is doing pretty good work at 70% leverage right now. They just redid their legal wording to help ensure non-recourse for SD-IRA.

Just sent a DM, would love to connect and help if possible.

Good luck!

70% LTV on nonrecourse? That's wild. Is this a newer product for them, or have they been doing this for a while?

Post: Home equity loan for $149,000 at a 9.8% rate

Patrick Roberts
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I'm assuming this a second position loan against the equity in your primary home. If so, then most lenders are at WSJ Prime + a spread on these types of loans right now. Whether this is a line of credit vs a closed-end loan, the tenor of the loan, your FICO, and the CLTV on the property will all impact your rate. 9.8% is probably a little high, but if your FICO is below 700, then this is likely on target.

For reference, WSJ Prime is 7.5% as of this morning. 

If this is first position and the property is currently free and clear, you'll be much better off with cashout refinance.

Post: What Are The Bank Statement Loans Advantages?

Patrick Roberts
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Bank statement loans replace your W2 or tax return income with a cashflow calculation based on a 12-24 month history of deposits into your bank account. There is typically an expense ratio applied to this. As an example, if the gross deposits after adjustments over the past 24 months averaged $12k/month, and the expense ratio is 50%, then the lender will treat this as $6k/month in gross income for qualifying. 

Bank statement loans are most commonly used for primary and second home purchases, although this income can be used to purchase rental properties with some lenders. Your personal DTI will still be considered with bank statement loans - it simply replaces your how personal income is calculated.

DSCR loans replace your personal income and personal DTI with the income and DTI (DSCR) specific to only the property for the loan (called the subject property). These loans are only allowed for non-owner occupied rental properties.