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All Forum Posts by: Owen Rosen

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Post: URGENT need for insurance on Single Family Home

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Quote from @Glen Wiley:

We moved our properties to USAA and had no issues in spite of a claim shortly before the move for quite a bit of damage from a burst water heater. If you or your parents are a veteran then you should reach out to them.


 There's a huge difference between "a claim" and 3 claims in less than 3 years.

Post: How many single family rentals do you keep in one LLC?

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Quote from @Natalie Stanley:

How many single family rentals do you all keep in one LLC? I have around 100 single family homes in one LLC. I have heard that I should have an LLC for each home but it seems administratively burdensome to have 100 bank accounts and 100 different tax filings, credits cards, checkbooks, etc... Can others please share how they think about liability exposure in an LLC. There are large investment funds with thousands of single family homes, I can't image they have an LLC for each home.

You put equity into LLCs not houses. The amount you are willing to risk. So, if there is zero equity, you can put all house into a single LLC. If one house has $100,000 in equity, it needs it's own LLC.

Here's why:

In the event someone wants to sue you, they want money. If there is little money  in the LLC, the attorney won't take the case. There is nothing to collect so nothing to pay him. 

Just use umbrella insurance and 99.9999% of the time that is all it takes. 

If it's that .0001 of the time and you get sued, an LLC won't stop it from happening anyway. That's why you have umbrella insurance.
This doesn't make any sense.  If a property is insured, there is money to go after.  Even with minimum liability of $100,000 there are plenty of attorneys that will take a quick $33,000.

A vast majority of the comments I see on this board (from people that are not licensed insurance agents) regarding umbrellas and liability insurance are way off base.  Be careful.  Work with someone that is licensed and trustworthy.  Take the time not just to get the cheapest price but the best advice and consultation.  Insurance is NOT all the same.  If your agent makes a mistake or gives bad advice, they're insured and you have protection.

Post: Infinite banking system

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Quote from @Frantz Joseph:

@Owen Rosen hi Owen I got my ibc policy 8 years ago. I got my policy based on the principles I learned from Nelson Nash, he’s a pioneer in the field. My policy is structured from what he explained in his book. I would love you to read it and let me know your thoughts. My policy was never meant to pull out my cash as soon as I got an opportunity to do so. I need to make sure It makes sense borrowing money at 8% from myself.


 I'd be happy to.  I believe everything depends on the individual and your needs.

Post: URGENT need for insurance on Single Family Home

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I assume this is for a rental property?  I wouldn't be surprised if they end up non-renewing your other properties as well.  Just a forewarning.

Post: Infinite banking system

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Quote from @Josh St Laurent:

@Owen Rosen,

Thank you for making those points. I'm glad we found common ground on the subject of infinite banking not being in the best interest of most consumers.

You're absolutely right about the distinction between universal life and whole life insurance. My primary concern with infinite banking is its suitability for real estate investors.

Regarding the fees, I wanted to highlight that a significant portion of the initial premiums often serve as commission for the agent. While it's understandable that agents need to earn a living, I advocate for a flat-fee model in my financial advisory practice. This approach ensures transparency and eliminates conflicts of interest. Having worked in a commission-based model at a large insurance company in the past, I've come to believe that flat fees better serve the interests of my clients.

In my Risk Management & Insurance Planning course at Golden Gate University, we delve into the technical aspects of these insurance products. Although infinite banking has its complexities, it's important for investors, especially in the real estate sector, to grasp the implications of such strategies.

I appreciate the opportunity to clarify these points, and I'm happy to continue the conversation if you have further questions.

Best regards, 

Josh


 Josh,

I wanted to make clear that I have no issues with "infinite banking" it's just not something I specifically promote in my practice at this time.  As I mentioned above it could be a fit for some and nothing is one size fits all.

Regarding fees, I have to quibble with you as an agent makes a commission on the premium of a life insurance policy and it really has nothing to do with fees.  For instance, some carriers charge more or less fees on a given policy and it doesn't have a direct correlation to the commission rate.  In addition, many fees charged by insurance companies are not-commissioned at all.

Post: Renter Insurance Mandated By Landlord - What Coverage landlord must mandate?

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Quote from @Andy S.:

Hi All, I am a landlord in NJ and am seeking your guidance on what kind of renter insurance coverage I must make mandatory to the tenant.

1) So far I have been asking for following bare miniumum coverage. Is this coverage adequate? Am I missing anything I must add/modify?

                    Personal Property: $30,000

                    Personal Liability: $300,000

                    Replacement Cost: Included

                    Medical Payments: $1000

                    Loss of Use: $6,000

                    Property Damage to Others: $500

                    Mold Property Damage: $10000

                   Mold Liability: $50000

                  Tenant Pet Damage: $500

                  Additional Interest: Myself (the landlord)



2) With above coverage added to renter insurance, do I make it mandatory for the tenant to have a separate pet liability insurance?

3) Do I make it mandatory to have me added as Additionaly Insured?

Any guidance would be appreciated.



 Agree with Nathan here overall.  You can't require them to insure their own contents but that won't affect you anyway.  If you want a nice online portal to refer them to so they can get protected really quickly let me know.

Post: Infinite banking system

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Quote from @Josh St Laurent:

Tim,

I have to chime in here.  I'm a professor of finance at GGU and a financial advisor for the last 12 years including insurance.  I am a Certified Financial Planner and I now run a firm specializing in helping RE investors and entrepreneurs.  

Stay away from the "infinite banking system"

The main features of putting your money into an IUL (Indexed Universal Life) which is the vehicle used by infinite banking include incredibly high fees (Most of which go to the agent selling it to you during the first year), inability to access your money for 7-10 years, and you having to go through an insurance company to access your own money (As a loan that needs to be paid back per Infinite Banking "rules")

If you are someone who is simply looking to invest in properties just do it through a business bank account and save yourself the headache and fees.  Most people will never need whole life insurance as a "bank" where they can loan themselves money.  If someone is recommending this to you it is almost certain they are making a handsome commission.

Hope this helps and feel free to ask any questions

I'm not personally a proponent of "infinite banking" but I'd like to point out that universal life and whole life insurance are not the same thing but you used them interchangeably.

Fees definitely do not go to insurance agent. Do you mean insurance company?

Also, it would be odd if insurance agents didn't make a commission. That's how we make a living. Do you work as a financial advisor for free?



Post: Home insurance won’t cover small pool

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Quote from @Mike Boss:

Just purchased a property out of state with a small pool (it might be a jacuzzi). Home insurance will give dwelling coverage but won’t give liability coverage due to the pool. It is located in the backyard and is raised on the deck/patio area. There is a small fence around it but is under 4 feet. 

This property is a fix and flip and is vacant. Contractors will be working on the property. My team hasn’t decided whether we will get rid of it and make it a patio area. Or if we will leave it. 

As of right now the insurance company doesn’t want any liability. They won’t even cover me if someone slips and falls inside the house, which doesn’t make sense because what does that have to do with the jacuzzi. Any advice? How big is the risk? 


 Is it drained? Can you securely cover it?  Probably just needs to be worked out with underwriting/a different insurance policy.

Post: Infinite banking system

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Quote from @Tim Flickinger:

Hello. I've recently come across this system and it is my understanding it is an investor friendly way of accessing cash. Any agents out there that can assist?


 It can be.  It's not for everyone.

Post: Landlords vs homeowners insurance

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Quote from @Glen Wiley:
Quote from @Cindy Joseph:
Quote from @Glen Wiley:

If you have an insurance claim with renters in the property and a homeowner policy I would expect the claim to be denied.

The benefit of landlord insurance is that it will actually cover you, if you try to rent a house out with a typical homeowner policy you are simply not covered (even though you are paying premiums).

Insurance is not where you want to go lowest bidder or look to cut corners - it is there to save your behind in the event of a major incident.


Thank you! Would I need regular home owners insurance and land lords insurance for the rental side of the duplex, or just land lords insurance? 


You will want homeowners for your side, landlords insurance for the other.

One advantage of landlords insurance is that the rates tend to be lower than homeowners rates because you do not insure the contents of the home. The renters get insurance to cover their belongings.

 You typically can't split the sides of a duplex like that.  Also, in many areas that's not the case with regards to cost/coverage because the risk is different in an owner-occupied property vs. one that is occupied by a renter.  Meaning the owner cares more and is more attentive!

 Thanks! So I would want to keep my  honeowners (which covers the entire duplex right now) and also get land lords ?


 That's typically not an option.  You really should discuss with your agent.  FIgure out if your current coverage is correct and what is protects with regards to renting the other unit.

You can't get two policies on the same property.