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All Forum Posts by: Glenna Wood

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About 7 years on the Outer Banks. 10 years on FL panhandle. Paint on hardiboard will last longer than paint on natural wood. Standard vinyl clapboard looking siding will peel off easily in high winds. Better is shake looking vinyl applied in sections with many nail points.

If your spider senses are telling you the complex is headed downhill, sell NOW. There is too much you can't personally fix in a condotel property. 

If you are going with a beach property, get the largest house you can afford on the beach rather than 2 smaller off beach. 

I wince every time someone posts "they want to get in the game".

I do not use AirDNA and can't see what numbers you have so have no opinion on their data. Winter on OBX is cold and there are far fewer visitors and some attractions and restaurants close. FL is a year round destination. AirBnB is only a small part of the rental houses on OBX so many the data is skewed? I've never heard of Apollo Beach either. Why would people go there and how do they find that location when searching AirBnB unless it has name recognition? If you are moving to Orlando, the #1 tourist destination in the world, you've ruled it out for your first STR when distance away is on your list of concerns??

Having both FL and NC beach properties the Outer Banks is much more seasonal. You have a better chance of getting guests every month in FL. Best wishes!

Be very careful as this can be a slippery slope. You say you "can't close until very minor repairs are done". Who exactly is holding up closing? If it's the lender based on an appraisal, are these "minor"? If the seller us refusing to pay pre closing, they aren't going to to be any more likely to pay after closing. From your view, you think you are improving the seller's property. The seller may think you damaged it or did a shoddy job. I would not put $$ into property I don't own. If you can't get financing without the repairs, find another property.

Originally posted by @Ryan Moyer:
Originally posted by @Luke Carl:
Originally posted by @Ryan Moyer:

Funnily enough I was scoping out both markets today.

It looks like roughly the same amount of money buys a 5-6br beachfront in Gulf Shores or a 4br in Destin half a block off the beach, with a pool.  I'm not sure which would gross more for that same investment amount.  My best guess would be the 4br in Destin a half block from the beach but I haven't fully done the research yet, only poked around a bit.

We're coming up on buying season when people are ready to take profits on their appreciation as the rental season slows down.

 I have a 4 bedroom 2.5 blocks from beach in Destin and it’s at $157k for 2021 so far 

 Yeah I wonder how a similarly sized place on the beach in Gulf Shores would do.  My guess is not as well.  One thing I've noticed is the vast majority of the homes on realtor.com in Destin list their (very good) rental income in the listing, but almost none of the homes listed in Gulf Shores do, which I'm guessing means it's not as good.

What's in a listing is whatever is customary for RE agents in that area. I would never trust it unless the seller provided Schedule Es and even these can be dummied. No substitute for your own due diligence. Gross is only part of it. What are the expenses? 

How long do you plan to hold this property? There will always be fewer beachfront houses than view or walk to the beach houses. If this is a longer tem play, that would be a major factor for me. 

Great question! The insurance risk in fire prone areas is going to increase costs. Will it get to the point that only a state supported plan will provide coverage in high fire areas as per hurricane areas? IDK. But the costs are real. On coastal policies we have an automatic 2% deductible if it's a named storm. This might be adopted for fire areas for named fires. If you are buying in a fire dependent ecosystem, odds are it WILL burn. The inholdings in Natl Forests and Parks have allowed development where houses should never have been built. Every US taxpayer pays for fire suppression on federal lands. The Smokies fire in eastern hardwoods was a one off. CA fires are a given. Looking back from a systems viewpoint, the current western fuel load problem is partly due to the fire suppression at all costs in fire prone western areas starting in the mid-1900's. The fire dependent longleaf pine forests in the South have always incorporated prescribed burning in forest management. 

I can share some experience with hurricanes. After 30 years of owning coastal properties, my hurricane karma disappeared in year 26. I Learned a new lesson in 2019 with Hurricane Dorian. BoA had the mortgage (15 years into it) and had a threshold for insurance claims where they hold ALL claim funds until they were 95% complete as determined by THEIR inspector. They couldn't define the criteria for "95%". They also wanted a GC hired, an expense which the claim did not cover. This was a small house in a terrific location so the lot was 4x more valuable than the house. It needed a roofer, dry wall guy, siding repair, all who expected to be paid right after the work was done. My claim was $200 over BoA's limit. No amount of discussion on my part would get around their rules. If I ever look for a mortgage in a high risk area again, I will determine their disaster insurance claims policy in advance and use that as part of choosing the loan provider.

As mentioned by another poster, getting repairs done after a major disaster is difficult and expensive. Not enough contractors to go around and lots of non-locals descending on the area. After the 2nd of about 7 calls to "fix my roof", I had fun getting snarky with "oh have you seen the roof? It's gone. Nothing left to fix. Haha". (IDK how they got my phone number.)  

If you're not within a daily drive of the area, it's difficult to get status info. Also not enough claims adjusters. Took 6 weeks for an adjuster to get to my 2018 Hurricane Michael loss. That gulf front house was wiped off the lot. Thankfully, the policy did pay in full. NOAA posts new satellite imagery a few days after disasters so I knew the house was gone. 

Friends with partially damaged homes had a tougher time getting fair settlements. With two policies (wind and flood), you run into the insurance companies dickering over "did it blow away or wash away?". And if you need to go to the area after roads are open, be prepared to stay hours away as any housing in the vicinity will be taken up by FEMA, insurance workers, cleanup contractors. So be prepared for a slow recovery. Don't have anything in the house you can't afford to lose (good rule for all strs). Keep a current inventory of contents. Keep your reserves up and don't over leverage.

There's always risk. Who saw a pandemic coming that would shut down Disney World? Each person has to stay eyes wide open,  determine your own risk tolerance, and set your own path.