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All Forum Posts by: Nathan Brown

Nathan Brown has started 3 posts and replied 100 times.

Post: How to prevent lease break by tenants?

Nathan BrownPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 76

Nope, terms of a contract can't override written law even if all parties agree. However, you can stay ahead of this eventuality by stipulating an early termination fee. I go with 2x the rent amount in my lease and it's due in full before move out. As it's not called or considered rent, it doesn't interfere with their continued obligation to pay the rent until you re-lease it. 

Post: Tenant died, what I need to do with his deposit?

Nathan BrownPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 76

My recommendation: don't give access to any security deposits or personal property until someone gives you a court order appointing that person as the personal representative of the estate. The last thing you want is to let someone walk away with everything only to have the rightful heir/executor come knocking. In Arizona, we have a law that permits the landlord to request the name, address and phone number of the person the tenant pre-authorizes to enter the rental property and remove the tenant's personal property if the tenant dies during tenancy (we add this clause in our standard lease). It completely releases us from any and all liability. This may be too late for you today, but see if your state has anything similar you could add to your next lease.

Post: Appraisal square footage and ADU

Nathan BrownPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 76

Totally normal for the ADU to be omitted from total square footage of the home. That said, you should disclose the breakdown in your listing for what square footage goes to which spaces, because it'll matter to the buyer's lender.

Post: One person walks out of property

Nathan BrownPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 76

Adding to the great answer above, this is the risk tenants take when they put roommates on a lease. Either the remaining tenants requalify to carry the lease themselves moving forward (however you defined that be begin with), or they all must continue to be treated equally. This means motivation for the departing guy to sign an addendum removing himself, because if the two remaining default in the future, he can and should still be pulled into the eviction judgement. The only exception I can think of to this rule would be if one of the parties were to obtain an order of protection, or whatever you call it in your state.

Post: How do I fire a property manager who is unreponsive?

Nathan BrownPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Victoria Z.:

Thanks all!! Appreciate all your help! The manager is a registered real estate agent in IL. The contract states that I need to pay 50% of the monthly rent if I want to terminate it during the lease term. I guess best way maybe just keep the guy until end of March (end of the lease). Nothing in the contract states that he needs to be responsive, interestingly. Do I still have basis for complaint?


For sure. If they're non-responsive (i.e. derelict in their duties) then they're not performing their obligations of the agreement. That's grounds to issue notice to the PM. It's not technically you cancelling; it's you giving them an opportunity to cure their breach. Formal complaints to the state's real estate board are affective as well...

Post: Tenants don't agree on security deposit refund

Nathan BrownPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 76

Doesn't matter who paid it or from where. The deposit goes with the contract, not the people per se. You're obligated to return it one way or another regardless of what one of them instructs you to do. You're already 15 days late per FL tenant law, so to avoid further legal liability, send the check for the full amount with both names on it to the "primary" resident and let them settle their matter between themselves. If no address is provided, your remedy is to send it to the "last known" address. Which I guess would be the rental property. Hopefully they have mail forwarding set up through the post office.

A lot of knee-jerk reactions in here. You know your tenant and your business better than us. I personally have negotiated deposit forfeitures before for various reasons. The best way to do it is as mentioned above; verify it's a legal option in your jurisdiction, then if you're okay, write a simple addendum to the lease agreement. It doesn't have to be wordy. "All parties agree resident forfeits security deposit of $x." I think they may be entitled to any interest earned too in New Jersey, right?

Post: While cold calling, when do you have to tell a prospect you’re licensed?

Nathan BrownPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Nathan Brown:
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Mike Schorah:

If you’re an investor looking for a property and you’re a licensed real estate agent, when do you have to tell the prospect? At the time the contract is signed (if it gets to that point)? When they pick the phone up? Just wondering how agents do it.

I’m guessing agents can get sued easily (Accidentally not taking someone off the list, for example. Or inaccurate information saying the prospect is not on the DNC when they are.)

I'm not an agent so I don't have that problem. For years I've tried to figure out why an investor would be an agent and frankly, I haven't come up with a good reason.

I'm genuinely curious, you've found NO good reasons to get a license in your years of searching? I bring my bias to the conversation, so I'll refrain from offering my reasons. What kind of investing are you into that makes having a license a bad proposition?

@Nathan Brown:

I buy Subject To, from distressed sellers, off market. No agents involved.

It takes precious time to take the courses and pass the exam. Time & money I can spend buying houses instead. There is a yearly cost for a license. I don't need the MLS. There are Realtor, Redfin, Zillow as sources and Propstream and others as well. I'm not driven by ego or thinking I need approval of others or of the state. I can tell funny jokes and not get fired. Some agents have to pay a monthly desk fee whether they are productive or not.

I don't have to get a broker's permission to do an odd transaction. In court, the fact that you have a license makes you more at risk. The seller/buyer can always claim you tricked them and had superior experience and knowledge. 

Some real estate agents waste a lot of time in the office yakking to other agents about how tough the market is. I don't need the negative chatter. 

Having a license doesn't teach you how to sell or buy. It teaches you how to keep the broker (and you) from getting sued. I don't care about pocket listings, it isn't my "buy box". 

If an agent presents me with an outstanding opportunity, I'll pay their fee.

If I was selling a house and you came in and said "I'd like to buy your house and I'm a real estate agent" I'd immediately believe my house is worth more than you are offering. It must be a good deal for you and you aren't being "fair". I'd wonder why you aren't putting it on the MLS to get me the best offer and I'd put my defenses up.

Since I say "I'm not an agent, let's figure out what works for you and save you the 6% which is $18,000 on a $300,000 house, you think I am saving you money, which I am. We become friends instead of adversaries.

And on, and on, and on.

What is it that you are thinking you gain by being an agent as an investor?


Totally understandable line of reasoning. Thanks for your thoughtful response. I was licensed before I discovered investing for myself, so it wasn't much of a choice for me. Now, as a broker, I avoid most of the downsides you've pointed out. More power to you, mate. 

Post: While cold calling, when do you have to tell a prospect you’re licensed?

Nathan BrownPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Mike Schorah:

If you’re an investor looking for a property and you’re a licensed real estate agent, when do you have to tell the prospect? At the time the contract is signed (if it gets to that point)? When they pick the phone up? Just wondering how agents do it.

I’m guessing agents can get sued easily (Accidentally not taking someone off the list, for example. Or inaccurate information saying the prospect is not on the DNC when they are.)

I'm not an agent so I don't have that problem. For years I've tried to figure out why an investor would be an agent and frankly, I haven't come up with a good reason.

I'm genuinely curious, you've found NO good reasons to get a license in your years of searching? I bring my bias to the conversation, so I'll refrain from offering my reasons. What kind of investing are you into that makes having a license a bad proposition?

Post: A paying tenant turned into a non-paying tenant

Nathan BrownPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 76

To echo the above, your first mistake was bending the rule. It's a slippery slope from there, so getting back to strictness will only get harder and more complicated the longer you let it slide. If she's serious about staying, she'll figure it out. Sending notice only means the process of eviction is starting. These things usually take lots of time, so she has ample opportunity to square up before the threatened lockout actually occurs.