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All Forum Posts by: Nathan W.

Nathan W. has started 9 posts and replied 129 times.

Post: Renovate or cosmetics when old tenant moves out?

Nathan W.Posted
  • Alexandria, VA
  • Posts 140
  • Votes 45

Man I like Option 3.  That is the beauty of having a duplex isn't it? If you are young and single and don't have a wife that will despise you for making you live in a construction zone for a few months while you get everything up to speed, why not? Screen your tenants well and if the place is nice, you may not even have to worry about them screwing it up (nice people want to live in nice places!).  If I had a duplex I would do that in a heartbeat.

Post: Thoughts about my partnership arrangement

Nathan W.Posted
  • Alexandria, VA
  • Posts 140
  • Votes 45
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I would recommend the following:

1. Give your partner a preferred return on his investment. ie say 10% on his 20K.

2. After that split all the cash flow 50/50.

3. Lastly when you sell the property, give him back his 20K and then split the profits 50/50

Why. The plan you outline above is either a buy-in partnership in which case you do not really have 50/50 until the buy-in is complete and a lot can go wrong before that happens - OR - Its a loan from your partner to you to in which case a lot can go wrong as well. Lastly, there are some significant tax issues here and you really need to talk this over with your accountant and attorney. (at risk rules) Remember that your mortgage loan is most likely going to be "joint and several" meaning that both of you will be 100% on the hook not 50/50. That has the potential for all kinds of problems when only one party has actual cash in the game.

I like partnerships where that things are set going in so that when rainy days happen everyone know what's at play. Open ended partnerships always end up different from the original plan. Not to say that that's always bad but rather that when things are good, no one reads the documents, when things are bad, Article 12, paragraph 3, section 4.1 says......

 You bring up good points, and I may be naive, but at those payouts wouldn't it be cheaper to just get hard money?

Why wouldn't you, for instance, just find a friend or family member with money and give them a promissory note at 10%, and get to keep the profits (cash flow and equity when sold, minus capital return) for yourself? Surely there is someone out there wanting to make 10% on their private money, no?

Post: Drug situation - How would you handle it?

Nathan W.Posted
  • Alexandria, VA
  • Posts 140
  • Votes 45

What does his sexuality have to do with it?

Post: Foreclosure Research in Northern VA

Nathan W.Posted
  • Alexandria, VA
  • Posts 140
  • Votes 45

You mentioned finding a place that you can rent out afterwards, but also acknowledge that you may have to pay $500k for the house.  I think you will be hard pressed to cash flow at those numbers (or anything close to it actually).  You would be MUCH better served fixing up a house, living in it for 2 years, then selling it without paying the capital gains taxes.  That is, if you can convince wifey this is a good plan haha

You may be able to find some properties that you would want to live in and cash flow with later further south (past Woodbridge down into Stafford and Fredericksburg) or on the Maryland side of the water, but not likely in Alexandria from my experience.

Thanks for the great information guys.  I'm going to start investigating this a bit more.

One final question I have then is, can I (in Virginia) approach Hard Money lenders and ask them to take my money? Or does there have to be some sort of existing personal relationship prior?

Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Nathan W. NO INTEREST IS APR ... so

look at my math in my first post.. you simply establish a daily interest rate.

so 100k X .12 / 365 = 32.8 per day  time how ever many days your loan is out.

it is customary though to have 3 month or so pre pay penalty.  Plus if you get points you add that to your overall yield.  if you wanted 24% per annum you would right the interest rate at 24%...

 Thanks for the clarification.  Of course that should have been obvious to me--I just overlooked it.  

So if the OP were to partner up with an HML, does he have to be an accredited investor to approach the HML if he doesn't have a previous personal relationship? I am not quite clear on how that works.

maybe PM would be better for this but it seems like the OP might hopefully benefit as well.

I just got a HELOC on primary for 90% through Navy Federal (DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH NAVY FEDERAL IN ANYWAY OTHER THAN BEING A MEMBER SATISFIED WITH THEIR SERVICES).

The process was simple and yes they did require an appraisal.  It probably took about 30 days total from me contacting them until the loan was opened.  I would definitely recommend them if you have access (you or your family are DOD civilians or military)

Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Nathan W.  in the example the OP put up he I think was thinking of doing it himself.

but normally most HML do it like this

they take the points.. some times they rebate the client 1/2 to 1.. clieint usually is not allowed to earn points depends on state. then the client takes the interest.. If the HML services the loan he or she may charge a servicing fee which might be 1/2 to 1%... or just a flat fee.. or they may charge nothing.. or they may not service at all.

The crowdfunders because of the complicated structures and tax filings etc they defiantly take part of the interest income and they make the points as well.

@John Thedford  nice strategy ...

 Wow that is incredible.  That interest rate payout, is usually calculated based on a 6 month loan period, right? So 12% over 6 months? So if I was able to be a client a couple times of year, I could see 24% Annual on that money? And the broker does most of the work (with my due diligience in the background I assume)

Hard money and private lending are something that I knew I wanted to eventually move into as my ultimate long term passive strategy, but this just sounds too good to be true.  

Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Account Closed  Nope your not getting that right..

250,000  K   1 point = 2,500   250,000 X .12 / 365 X 180 = 14,794 + 2,500 = 17,294 per 6 months.  for 12 months it would be double that 34,589... per annum.

and of course if you put the whole 500k in your double that as well  for a grand total of 69,178.. and you do not deal with the 3 T's and take the risk of running rentals.

But again you must align yourself with GREAT long term established HML in your market and be comfortable with your collateral...

Or you could invest it with me and I would double it again  :) 

Hey Jay, I have an HML question for ya. Say I align myself with the HML and we agree to go do a deal together--I have cash and he has experience. How is that normally structured?

In your example, I am having a hard time seeing where the upside is for the HML guy you are working with if you are getting the profit from the points AND the financing interest?

Is it common for the HML guy to take, say, the points and pay you (the private money guy) the financing interest? Just trying to get my head wrapped around how this works.

Post: How can we make evictions a win/win?

Nathan W.Posted
  • Alexandria, VA
  • Posts 140
  • Votes 45

How on Earth do you get past the fact that there aren't actually 56 weeks in a year?