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All Forum Posts by: Natalie Schanne

Natalie Schanne has started 27 posts and replied 975 times.

Post: Offer accepted - do I go through with it?

Natalie SchannePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Princeton, NJ
  • Posts 1,014
  • Votes 1,171

@Hannah Joy - Do the deal. Figure it out. It will be worth it. Make sure your partnership agreement is upfront about who owns what, who is contributing what money and time, and who has the final decision if you two disagree on anything. It should also include a divorce / buyout clause.

I am crushing rentals right now and I am hearing my friends getting incredible rents from long term and short term furnished like Airbnb - if the 2 bedroom apartment is $1900/mo plus utilities at the apartment complex, on Airbnb it is renting for $4000/mo (furnished, utilities included) on a 4+ week stint.

Good luck to you and your partner. For what it’s worth, consider taking personality tests so you know how to best communicate with one another.

Post: Looking for advice. Lost my home due to divorce. Starting over !!

Natalie SchannePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Princeton, NJ
  • Posts 1,014
  • Votes 1,171

@Kenneth Young - definitely chat with a lender. You may still be on the mortgage of the house (if not sold) if you gave it over during a settlement, and that may restrict your ability to borrow. It wasn’t clear to me what situation you have. I was thinking that a lot of single moms keep the house and pay the mortgage even though they couldn’t qualify for the mortgage (or to refinance it) on their own.

If you can qualify for a loan and numbers work, definitely house hack instead of renting. I find the cashflow numbers are MUCH better for a single family like 4-6 bedrooms, 2-3 baths, than a duplex with two 1/1 apartments, however sometimes it doesn’t work as well to keep as a long term investment. Like +1000/mo vs -$1000/mo (when assuming your stay is free)

If you are not in a position to invest right now, that’s also ok. You can choose to live in someone else’s house in a private room for $500-1000/mo (about half of the net cost of a single apartment) while you save up reserves and pay down debts. There will be property opportunities coming down the pipeline since the foreclosures are starting to work their way through the system.

Post: David Greene!? Crypto? Scam!?

Natalie SchannePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Princeton, NJ
  • Posts 1,014
  • Votes 1,171

@Michael Perna - and sorry if it wasn’t clear, but I guarantee David Greene has nothing to do with it, and he’s unable to get any fake accounts banned by any platform. I’m sure every major and minor celebrity has this type of hoax being played. Like, “I invested with Tom Cruise on an NFT for Top Gun Maverick for 500 Ethereum.” No. Not really.

If they did link to his real account, did they message you from his real account or from an account with a name like his real account? Someone made an Instagram account with my Facebook name Natalie Vane Schanne and started messaging using Facebook Messenger all of my Facebook friends. Since it popped up like my Facebook profile face picture and my name, people responded or wondered if My Facebook was hacked. However the top of the messenger said “New Instagram Account”. I could not control any of it and it errored on me (the form didn’t submit) when I tried to report in app that someone was impersonating me.

I am sure Elon Musk is finding that Twitter users encompass over 50% bot accounts and not real people. The scammers will keep doing anything that works, including the call I got last week asking me to donate to police services and it was fully automated using voice recordings. That one wasn’t 100% a scam. They promised they would give at least 13% to the police force of whatever I donated.

Post: David Greene!? Crypto? Scam!?

Natalie SchannePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Princeton, NJ
  • Posts 1,014
  • Votes 1,171

@Michael Perna - I’m sorry, your $5000 is gone and if you buy $10,000, that will be gone too. You have 10000% been scammed. They start with small chunks and go larger. Like $5000 invested, then we will show you in our fake system it’s worth more money so temptation 1. Is to put in more money. If you try to withdraw it, then they say you have to buy more to get a withdrawal (test 2 to scam you). When truly your $5000 was gone the minute you transferred your crypto wallet to the fake platform (aka scammer).

Post: I have been having issues with hard money lending draws

Natalie SchannePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Princeton, NJ
  • Posts 1,014
  • Votes 1,171

@Alex Grullon - I've had success borrowing money off people in my REIA or off BiggerPockets by posting in the BP market place and by speaking up at a local meetup. I'm assuming the costs of fully refinancing an in process flip are substantial with duplicative title fees, etc. I would be surprised if you're juggling 3-10 flips that you cannot find someone to lend you money at 10-12% no points, paid back at closing.

It is possible that the lender is reducing their exposure to you as a single operator if you have 3 with them and 4-7 with another company simultaneously. Obviously lenders make most of their money off specific deep relationships (bigger flippers) than one off deals, however you can also imagine if a single operator gets burned out or is showing signs of being behind or giving excuses for other jobs (bad contractors, other delays), that they may want to risk their exposure because probably ALL or almost all of the 7-10 projects go south. (I’m not saying this is the case. Obviously from a customer service standpoint, you may choose a different company going forward if this isn’t a better experience during your next draw). It seems like the inspection came pretty quickly after your request, so the signs seem ok that the lender is going to make good on it.

I know we like to say "I have no money in the deal" implying little or no risk through financing a project 100% and having everything titled to your LLC and not personally. However, do you have a couple bucks in reserve (beyond your working capital) to make this deal continue to happen? You shouldn't have to tap it, but could you if you needed to? I know many people who can click a button and get a 20-50k 0% 18 month apr credit card instantly.

Post: Everyone and their mom is on Airbnb

Natalie SchannePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Princeton, NJ
  • Posts 1,014
  • Votes 1,171

@Ryan Thomson @Jonathan W. -

There are 4 Main successful STR categories I have observed.

1. Experiential Hospitality - something fun and unique like a Tiny House in Joshua Tree, Glamping, farm Stays, etc. These used to be listed on Yelp or through specialty travel agencies. Destination Hotels mimic this - think Smith Mountain Lodge in Dirty Dancing with its games, dancing, dining.

2. Executive Stay Hotel Housing Equivalent (ballpark $70-150/night), long apartment would rent for about 50% or less of STR fees (however the fees also pay for utilities, basic consumables, and furniture deterioration). This fills a need for better accommodations at an equivalent price of hotels, while staying longer term in an apartment building or condo complex.

3. Multi Member Reunion / Vacation type housing

- I think demand for this one is going to feel weaker given many more of these houses have come online after people shared saying “you can rent your 5BR house at $500-1000/night for sleeps 10-16 guests.” Airbnb and VRBO introduced an ease of locating and booking these houses outside of a rental agency like “Vacation Poconos” or New Jersey Shore Houses. A lot of these houses seem to be claiming under 40% annual occupancy or wildly varying prices ($250-300 off peak, $1200-1500 peak based on algorithmic pricing).

I feel like demand will be weaker as more people (customers) have tried this and felt like it didn’t work or they got stuck with a lodging or post-stay cleaning bill after their friends didn’t pay their fair share. My friend got stuck paying about $20,000 for 4 beach houses for a week and the bulk majority of her friends came up for 1-2 nights over the weekend and paid “$100” towards that night instead of $700 for the week.

Or conversely, the STR host got shut down unexpectedly for a "party/security" violation or filing for AirCover for major party damages, and they're FUBAR without reservations to carry the big expenses.

4. Shared House (Private Room) / Budget Lodging - substitution for like motel or economy stays at $40-70/night. - this is the type I focus on, where 3-5 working professionals will live together, each with a private room, and share the kitchen, bathroom, and laundry. They may stay for 30 days or 1.5 years. I think it’s a positive for many aspects - increased energy and space efficiency (5 people living in 2000 sqft versus driving demand for 5 one bedroom apartments let’s say 3500 sqft and increasing demand and rent $$ for single parents, couples). furnished housing reduces waste in terms of buying/trashing ikea type beds, desks, pillows, plates etc. to furnish apartments for 12 months in a location before you get a job in another city. Furnished housing also reduces appliance demand and deterioration like 1 stove, fridge, microwave, dishwasher hvac, hot water heater, serves 5 people continuously instead of 5 stoves (etc) over the same 10 year period.

(I do not understand why but SRO - single room occupancy appears to be looked down on, perhaps for violations historically because people choosing SRO by necessity (instead of those choosing to save money) because they can’t afford a 1 bed or studio apartment might be affiliated with “slumlords”. What comes to mind are 8x10 rooms connected by hallways in New York City with bathrooms in the hall and maybe a small shared kitchen space.)

Random aside - At the moment Airbnb is offering $400+ to sign up new hosts for either houses or private rooms. Six months ago I referred 3 people who started private rooms making $3000+/mo on the platform each (3-4 bedrooms listed) and didn’t get any referral payouts because they were only giving bonuses to signing up whole house rentals. So obviously private rooms are trending.

Jonathan - I like your availability heuristic - as a college student, everyone I know lived with 1-5 other people sharing a kitchen and/or living room and/or bathroom, (while paying $1000 or more a month), so continuing to do so after college when we had our first jobs was a no brainer. However, when I mention house hacking or room rentals to many people - even people struggling with their bills - they look at me like I’m crazy. Like they would rather work 40+ hours extra a month doing UBEREATS than share their house with someone who isn’t their family.

Anyway, my point is that there are multiple ways to make money filling different niches and STR platforms are helping book products that already existed but were a little more self-regulated through a common rental agency aiding with the bookings of multiple houses.

Some towns especially in New Jersey state that "between any change of tenants" (intended to be 12+ months), you need to do a certificate of occupancy inspection (essentially a check up that the property is still maintained) and if this was required between every 1-7 day STR guest, it would make it effectively impossible to operate given the delays for inspection, costs of inspection, delays for reinspection, etc.

Overall the Hotel Lobby wants to fight STR products that are reducing demand and pricing for their products. Many hotels have gone bankrupt (the lender repossessed it) after operating in the red in 2020 due to forced closures. I have seen many built within the past 20 years properties-Hyatt, Holiday Inn etc hotels on Ten X over the past 24 months due to the negative cash flow from closures and reduced in person business travel.

Post: Do I sell and make 285k or hold long term??

Natalie SchannePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Princeton, NJ
  • Posts 1,014
  • Votes 1,171

@Anthony Liguori - 1. Is your 600k offer from a legitimate buyer or was it unsolicited from someone calling or texting you? Do you know if that person will actually buy your property or if it is a wholesaler? (Like the wholesalers who get properties under contract for a high price and will cancel if they can’t find anyone who will pay an even higher price).

2. Do you have the ability to cash out refi or get a line of credit (local banks) on your existing property so you can buy another property while still holding onto this one?

3. Where would you put the money if you sold? Do you have another investment vehicle which will yield more or the same?

4. Your market rents are probably low. Consider raising them. In my area all rents went up 20% year over year. The 1 bedroom apts for 1000 are now 1200.

Post: Agent Designation/Certification in Princeton, NJ

Natalie SchannePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Princeton, NJ
  • Posts 1,014
  • Votes 1,171

@Guangli H. - hello Guangli! Right now in Princeton NJ area, rentals are flying off the shelves. If we are listing one, it rents almost right away.

If you need one, you are usually best to call places directly, especially apartment buildings. In the current market, big apartment buildings are not paying real estate agents any commission to rent the apartment because they are also having long wait lists and they have their own full time and part time paid staff.

Post: Newbie Landlord Needs Help With Utility Responsibilities

Natalie SchannePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Princeton, NJ
  • Posts 1,014
  • Votes 1,171

@Lily Sellers - I am assuming the property is vacant now and you are placing your own tenant. (If not, read your lease agreement first and foremost).

I recommend requiring the tenant to put utilities in their name. Often you will need to transfer it to your name at the beginning of your ownership in order to make sure the lights are on and the toilet can flush when people are touring the property. After the lease is signed, call the utilities companies and have it to turn off effective the day after the tenant is supposed to occupy. Tell them to turn it on in their name asap and give them all the numbers to call. The utility company should switch who has to pay, do a meter reading, and continue from then on to bill your new tenant.

Post: Advice about discount points at closing

Natalie SchannePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Princeton, NJ
  • Posts 1,014
  • Votes 1,171

@Ryan Brooks - I always advise shopping lenders, especially within 1-3 days of your first lender credit pull. The expensive ones tend to stay the most expensive even if they promise they’ll match someone else’s offer. I had my (former) current lender promise to beat any loan estimate I got and then renege when I showed them one 0.3% less than their “Locked” offer.

At a minimum, if you’ve seen 3-4 lender quotes, you’ll see what ballpark you should expect for your rates