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All Forum Posts by: Nadir M.

Nadir M. has started 64 posts and replied 437 times.

Quote from @Joe S.:

I read some of the replies, but not all of them in detail. So maybe this has been mentioned already.

Have you priced installing macerating toilets? 

I have not no. What do they usually run? 
Quote from @Giselle Azcona-Lubbock:
Quote from @Nadir M.:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Nadir M.:

Hello BP,

Wanted to get everyone’s opinion on what they would do in this situation. My current tenant said that the toilet is clogged again. Had it opened about 3-4 weeks ago and the reason was too much TP. I told him that they need to dispose of TP in the closed trash waste basket. If it happens again due to too much TP then the cost will be on the tenant. So it happened again…and it due to too much TP. He said that it’s unsanitary and gross to place TP in waste basket and that I should have included that in the lease that can’t flush TP. So I’m going to send him the bill but doubt he will pay and doubt that this issue will be resolved because they’ll continue to flush TP down the toilet. How would you guys handle this? What’s the recommendation? I’m okay with telling them to break the lease and I’ll give them their deposit back minus the cleaning fee.


Any thoughts/feedback is greatly appreciate Thank you 


 Yep I would not do this if I was a tenant. I have been to some islands where you need to do this and I was like - no thanks.

Have you had a camera go down the drain? What I would do is get a camera down the waste line, share it with them and let them know. Thenif it clogs and its because of too much TP then charge them. They will eventually learn. If its because the home is old, that is more on you in that instance.


Well the plumber went there twice and said clog was due to TP. He said the pipes are fine. I told him the second  occurance if it’s due to TP again then it’s on him. If the house is too old then I’m not sure what I can do. I guess break the lease and have him find a newer home? Waste cans with lids that manually open and shut I thought were standard. I was always told and told others that TP or baby wipes are not to be flushed. I get flushing it down the toilet if you’re on an island for sure, but not when you’re renting a single family home and it’s your family. 


 You mentioned they have kids, so they probably used a diaper pale before which is more or less the same concept as putting tp in a trash can. I guess a question to consider other than something that can be easily solved if they're willing to is: are they decent/good tenants? How long have they lived in the unit? Do they pay their rent on time? Other than this unfortunate issue, do they generally take care of the property? 


 Overall they pay on time, when I visit the house is clean. I will say when they moved in, I had to replace the washer, the microwave, the carpet in the entire basement (required), the safety sensors on the garage.  their cat scratched through the screen door to the deck, and the toilets got clogged twice. Other than that, they’re responsive and are patient. It’s weird that so much started to break down as soon as they started renting there. They were older appliances so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt but again, no other issues with other tenants. 

Quote from @Kevin Epp:

@Nadir M.

There's a lot of hot takes on here that are calling you cheap, lazy, unfit to be a landlord... and I do not believe that is the case based on what I'm reading here.

Charge the tenant for the next TP clog.

1. You've had a professional company conclude that it is not the pipes, but the amount of toilet paper.

2. You have a new toilet.

3. You paid for the first unclogging. Now it's become an issue.

4. Previous tenants did not have this issue. Same toilet, same pipes.

5. You are not the one placing toilet paper in the toilet, thus causing the issue.

6. Though the bathroom can is a cultural taboo in the US, people put waste from baby diapers in a can daily and don't bat an eye. Thanks for pointing that out Giselle. Of course, given the cultural taboo of it all...not the permanent solution.

I'd say charge them.

Cracking up...spending my Thursday morning talking about poop paper solutions...

Same here…it’s hysterical a bit but need to have a solution. I love the diaper example and it’s so true!!! Everyone has a right of stating their own opinion, no matter how harsh or inappropriate it may come across. No hard feelings here. I do appreciate everyone’s input at the end. I did discuss with the tenant, I told him flush twice and use less toilet paper, he said thank you and will do! So we will see. Thank you Kevin. 
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

Putting TP in the trash is the wrong response.

If the plumbing is functional, then this is a tenant responsibility. They need to learn how to use less toilet paper, flush more often, or install a bidet.

In the meantime, you are right to charge them for the plumbing bill.

Thank you Nathan. I did state to them that this is the first time this issue has happened within the last 5 years I’ve owned the property. The plumber stated twice that it’s too much TP and his kids are the only ones that I believe use that bathroom. I was thinking of installing a new toilet but again, if they’re loading it up, I don’t know how much help that would be 
Quote from @Mike Dymski:

Give him a call, apologize for asking him to put TP in the trash can (that will create common ground and a more reasonable starting point for a resolution), let him know that prior residents did not have issues, have his family curtesy flush, and let him know that future clogs are his responsibility.  If that does not work, as you mentioned, feel free to allow him to move out.


 I think this is extremely reasonable…thank you Mike. 

Quote from @Don Konipol:

All the replies above are based on ASSUMPTIONS about the condition of the plumbing.

Is the plumbing able to handle the “standard” amount of toilet paper being flushed and the tenants are just “loading it up” before flushing thereby causing the problem?  Or is the plumbing not able to handle a normal amount of TP and rather than the tenants being the problem the fact that the plumbing is inadequate is the problem?  So first, you need to determine whether or not the plumbing CAPACITY is up to today’s standards.  If so, you’ll need to stand firm with your tenants.  If it is not up to today’s standards, and the tenant was not informed of such before he signed the lease, then ethically, if not legally, it’s “on you”.  If this is the case Step 1 is to determine a fix and the associated cost. If the cost is reasonable, I would go ahead and make the improvement.  If the cost is out of line, I would try to reach an “accommodation” with the tenant.  Something like he agrees to flush more often and for every month with no back up I credit his rent $25.  
Good luck.  What you’re experiencing is the problems, responsibilities, and negotiations, frustrations, expenses, etc. of being a landlord.  Most of us doing it a long time have developed systems so that we handle these things efficiently.  My particular program is to only invest in class A in residential (I do b, c and even d in commercial), charge the tenant the high end of the scale, and fix immediately anything he wants that’s even semi reasonable.  That works for me but probably won’t for a majority of landlords. 

So the plumber said the plumbing is fine, it’s just that they’re loading up. I think the two little kids use that bathroom and they’re just throwing too much TP in. No matter of plumbing is brand new or too old, eventually too much TP will clog it. I’ve owned the property for 5 years and this is the first instance of this issue. I get the main backing up but never one toilet. Thank you for your response 
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Nadir M.:

Hello BP,

Wanted to get everyone’s opinion on what they would do in this situation. My current tenant said that the toilet is clogged again. Had it opened about 3-4 weeks ago and the reason was too much TP. I told him that they need to dispose of TP in the closed trash waste basket. If it happens again due to too much TP then the cost will be on the tenant. So it happened again…and it due to too much TP. He said that it’s unsanitary and gross to place TP in waste basket and that I should have included that in the lease that can’t flush TP. So I’m going to send him the bill but doubt he will pay and doubt that this issue will be resolved because they’ll continue to flush TP down the toilet. How would you guys handle this? What’s the recommendation? I’m okay with telling them to break the lease and I’ll give them their deposit back minus the cleaning fee.


Any thoughts/feedback is greatly appreciate Thank you 


 Yep I would not do this if I was a tenant. I have been to some islands where you need to do this and I was like - no thanks.

Have you had a camera go down the drain? What I would do is get a camera down the waste line, share it with them and let them know. Thenif it clogs and its because of too much TP then charge them. They will eventually learn. If its because the home is old, that is more on you in that instance.


Well the plumber went there twice and said clog was due to TP. He said the pipes are fine. I told him the second  occurance if it’s due to TP again then it’s on him. If the house is too old then I’m not sure what I can do. I guess break the lease and have him find a newer home? Waste cans with lids that manually open and shut I thought were standard. I was always told and told others that TP or baby wipes are not to be flushed. I get flushing it down the toilet if you’re on an island for sure, but not when you’re renting a single family home and it’s your family. 

That’s what you recommend they buy? 

Well his little kids uses that bathroom I believe and prob not supervised. What would you do in this case esp if they deny paying for the repair? I can just foresee this being an ongoing issue that even a new toilet wouldn’t even fix. 

The toilet is newer. It’s an older house so older plumbing so def not replacing the entire plumbing. Also just replaced carpet and painted the walls because there was water intrusion from heavy rainfall. That’s costed 3k. Then when they moved in, the washer broke and replaced that…and then the microwave broke and replaced that. So I def haven’t been cheap. House has been rented to three tenants now and they’re the first I’ve had any issues with. I wish I was cheap dude.