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@Nadir M. it's not too much TP. 

Yeah, I get it, you had "a" plumber out and he said blah blah blah, I get it. Look, that plumber was not into getting into things and he gave you and tenant the brush off, that's the reality of it. 

Toilet paper will NOT do that of it's own, it just won't. The ONLY way TP alone would be the issue, you'd have to throw like literally half a roll at a time down and do that repeatedly, multiple times, in rapid succession. 

But what COULD do it; tenant could have put something else down, dang flushable wipes especially. And before turn in line, it makes a kind of catch. So now your 3" line is more like a 1.5" line. 

This will build up n build up, and then yes, clog up with small amount of TP and make it hard to fix via plunger. 

And you said just did a bunch of work. Well, any chance any of those guys used jobsite hand cleaners and flushed em? Which are basically flushable wipes? Yeah, that commonly happen. If I catch guys on jobsite doing that I fine em cost to have drain guys come out and run the lines, because that's literally what ya gotta do. 

Cast iron lines especially are notorious for this. 

Look, people are jumping to assumptions that your a cheap slumlord, and your not enjoying that right. Well, how about ya extend the same courtesy to tenant of not jumping on an assumption to them. 

Call a drain professional, not a plumber. Can have em scope it first. I assure you will find something. 

If I scope it and find flushable isn’t that on the tenant as well? 

Depends. 

Personally, if it's 1st time, I scold them and let them know of the "fine" for such, but at end I waive it if there otherwise decent tenants so now it's left in a positive manner and they know they will be paying if done again. 

Legally speaking, unless they confess to it you can't prove it was from them. And unless you know for fact, you don't really know either. As mentioned, could be these tenants, previous vendors, or previous tenants, depends. 

We should be talking a couple too few hundred bucks, this isn't some giant cost worth creating a bad relation with tenant. 

And you need to stop with the knee jerk reaction that things are tenant with no evidence to such. 

It’s the second occurrence within a couple months. I was nice the first time and told them I’ll take care of the bill but please make sure you use less TP and supervise your kids since they’re still very young. When it happened the second time that’s when I realized it may be an ongoing issue. They need to pay for it which will ultimately result in a feud I feel like…which I tend to always try to prevent. 

 Wrong dead wrong. 

If it's let's say flushable wipes in there from the vendors, it's definitively not there fault. It's NOT too much TP, stop with that BS excuse, nobody in the know is buying this BS excuse, that literally is NOT possible period end of story full-stop. If you had any clue about plumbing you'd understand why. 

To say they use too much TP is a DEFECT of property as it's NOT working in standard order and you WILL loose in court. Because it's legally required your property be up to NORMAL working standard measure. 

FYI; now you are starting to act like a slumlord. Cut the sh_t out. IF it's the tenant making such happen from abuse of any kind, yes THEN accountability but you don't know jack, cut it out, get facts not opinions and assumptions. 

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@Nadir M. it's not too much TP. 

Yeah, I get it, you had "a" plumber out and he said blah blah blah, I get it. Look, that plumber was not into getting into things and he gave you and tenant the brush off, that's the reality of it. 

Toilet paper will NOT do that of it's own, it just won't. The ONLY way TP alone would be the issue, you'd have to throw like literally half a roll at a time down and do that repeatedly, multiple times, in rapid succession. 

But what COULD do it; tenant could have put something else down, dang flushable wipes especially. And before turn in line, it makes a kind of catch. So now your 3" line is more like a 1.5" line. 

This will build up n build up, and then yes, clog up with small amount of TP and make it hard to fix via plunger. 

And you said just did a bunch of work. Well, any chance any of those guys used jobsite hand cleaners and flushed em? Which are basically flushable wipes? Yeah, that commonly happen. If I catch guys on jobsite doing that I fine em cost to have drain guys come out and run the lines, because that's literally what ya gotta do. 

Cast iron lines especially are notorious for this. 

Look, people are jumping to assumptions that your a cheap slumlord, and your not enjoying that right. Well, how about ya extend the same courtesy to tenant of not jumping on an assumption to them. 

Call a drain professional, not a plumber. Can have em scope it first. I assure you will find something. 

If I scope it and find flushable isn’t that on the tenant as well? 

Depends. 

Personally, if it's 1st time, I scold them and let them know of the "fine" for such, but at end I waive it if there otherwise decent tenants so now it's left in a positive manner and they know they will be paying if done again. 

Legally speaking, unless they confess to it you can't prove it was from them. And unless you know for fact, you don't really know either. As mentioned, could be these tenants, previous vendors, or previous tenants, depends. 

We should be talking a couple too few hundred bucks, this isn't some giant cost worth creating a bad relation with tenant. 

And you need to stop with the knee jerk reaction that things are tenant with no evidence to such. 

@Nadir M. it's not too much TP. 

Yeah, I get it, you had "a" plumber out and he said blah blah blah, I get it. Look, that plumber was not into getting into things and he gave you and tenant the brush off, that's the reality of it. 

Toilet paper will NOT do that of it's own, it just won't. The ONLY way TP alone would be the issue, you'd have to throw like literally half a roll at a time down and do that repeatedly, multiple times, in rapid succession. 

But what COULD do it; tenant could have put something else down, dang flushable wipes especially. And before turn in line, it makes a kind of catch. So now your 3" line is more like a 1.5" line. 

This will build up n build up, and then yes, clog up with small amount of TP and make it hard to fix via plunger. 

And you said just did a bunch of work. Well, any chance any of those guys used jobsite hand cleaners and flushed em? Which are basically flushable wipes? Yeah, that commonly happen. If I catch guys on jobsite doing that I fine em cost to have drain guys come out and run the lines, because that's literally what ya gotta do. 

Cast iron lines especially are notorious for this. 

Look, people are jumping to assumptions that your a cheap slumlord, and your not enjoying that right. Well, how about ya extend the same courtesy to tenant of not jumping on an assumption to them. 

Call a drain professional, not a plumber. Can have em scope it first. I assure you will find something. 

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 what page of the slumlord handbook did this come out of?

After reading this, and your last post, it’s obvious that you’re uninformed and too quick to jump on the S word,

if you have ever pulled a toilet and found a giant wad of toilet paper, you would know exactly what I am talking about. Our plumber has done this at least three times this year at a cost of $250 per visit.

Sometimes Tenants will just ’wad’ up not thinking or understanding the consequences of what they are doing. That is not a wear and tear issue and that is not an issue related bad plumbing. It is a user issue.

Also, it’s pretty easy to determine if it’s a clogged pipe or if the problem is located to the toilet. If the rest of the bathroom plumbing fixtures are flowing freely then usually it’s not a clogged waste pipe.

Nah, I'd have my lawyer file a 30 day NTQ. They would state the reasons for the eviction. And they would be evicted.

Evict yesterday.

@Nadir M. Perhaps the tenant is using too much TP but reading your follow up posts suggests your home has deferred maintenance issues you’re unwilling to properly repair and only willing to implement duct tape level corrections. How can you make a statement like the plumbing is old I’m not replacing it?  Does the same apply to knob and tube wiring if it’s found in the house?  

Your explanation for why you’re a responsive landlord doesn’t cut it for me either.  What does the fact you had to re-paint and replace carpet due to a water intrusion issue have to do with the plumbing issue that’s the focus of your post? What caused the water intrusion issue during the heavy rain and why didn’t you correct the underlying issue? Won’t you have to paint and re-carpet again the next time there’s a heavy rain storm? You replaced a microwave and washer and dryer because they didn’t work? Who cares? Was it represented in the lease that those appliance were included? If so, you have a duty to provide those to the tenant. You also acknowledged you had roots in your drain. When was the last time that was cleared? 

Merely speculating but my guess is this is a lower value house that struggles to absorb cap ex. It’s unfortunately a problem with many lower priced real estate assets which are disproportionately impacted by such repairs. Appears this may be a C/D property problem disguised as a TP issue.

Any house built in 1979 would have 4 inch, or at least 3 inch, ABS waste lines. That is sufficient to handle normal usage, regardless of the brand of paper used. 

This is an obvious and simple solution..... Their kids are using way too much toilet paper, period. 

Just tell the tenant that every time this happens they will have to pay a plumber to come and fix it.

Now can we stop having this conversation? I'm trying to enjoy my morning coffee.....

@Nadir M. Good luck getting your tenant to place TP in a waste basket. That's pretty wild in my opinion.

Your best bet is when you renew the lease to add in a clause regarding plumbing repairs related to negligence of the tenant. Or general repairs of $300 or less.

You should ensure however your plumbing is actually in good shape. You may need to bite the bullet the next few months until the lease is up.

@Nadir M. My family regularly places 3X wads of toilet paper with 6-8 sheets per wad in all 3 of my toilets and don’t have it clog. (I polled everyone after reading your post).

I live in an 80+ year old house with toilets that are at least 30 years old. And 80+ year old plumbing.

There is definitely something wrong if they’ve clogged the toilet multiple times.

In the US it is customary to flush toilet paper.

It should be discouraged that they flush wipes or feminine hygiene products.