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All Forum Posts by: Nadir M.

Nadir M. has started 65 posts and replied 443 times.

Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

Any house built in 1979 would have 4 inch, or at least 3 inch, ABS waste lines. That is sufficient to handle normal usage, regardless of the brand of paper used. 

This is an obvious and simple solution..... Their kids are using way too much toilet paper, period. 

Just tell the tenant that every time this happens they will have to pay a plumber to come and fix it.

Now can we stop having this conversation? I'm trying to enjoy my morning coffee.....

 Correction 1972, I apologize but piping should still be the same. Enjoy that cup of coffee. Thank you for your input. 

Quote from @Joseph Guzzardi Jr:

@Nadir M. Good luck getting your tenant to place TP in a waste basket. That's pretty wild in my opinion.

Your best bet is when you renew the lease to add in a clause regarding plumbing repairs related to negligence of the tenant. Or general repairs of $300 or less.

You should ensure however your plumbing is actually in good shape. You may need to bite the bullet the next few months until the lease is up.

That was my plan if they decide to renew. Plumber said nothing wrong with plumbing. All other sink and toilets work just fine. 
Quote from @Alecia Loveless:

@Nadir M. My family regularly places 3X wads of toilet paper with 6-8 sheets per wad in all 3 of my toilets and don’t have it clog. (I polled everyone after reading your post).

I live in an 80+ year old house with toilets that are at least 30 years old. And 80+ year old plumbing.

There is definitely something wrong if they’ve clogged the toilet multiple times.

In the US it is customary to flush toilet paper.

It should be discouraged that they flush wipes or feminine hygiene products.

That’s interesting…I feel like the plumber would have found if it was feminine products or wipes. This house was built in 1979 so roughly about 45 years old. Again, it’s only happened with them. I’ve had the main back up due to tree roots but that always affected the basement and also affected all plumbing. That hasn’t happened in quite sometime because I had it jetted. 
Quote from @Eric Gerakos:
Quote from @Don Konipol:

All the replies above are based on ASSUMPTIONS about the condition of the plumbing.

Is the plumbing able to handle the “standard” amount of toilet paper being flushed and the tenants are just “loading it up” before flushing thereby causing the problem?  Or is the plumbing not able to handle a normal amount of TP and rather than the tenants being the problem the fact that the plumbing is inadequate is the problem?  So first, you need to determine whether or not the plumbing CAPACITY is up to today’s standards.  If so, you’ll need to stand firm with your tenants.  If it is not up to today’s standards, and the tenant was not informed of such before he signed the lease, then ethically, if not legally, it’s “on you”.  If this is the case Step 1 is to determine a fix and the associated cost. If the cost is reasonable, I would go ahead and make the improvement.  If the cost is out of line, I would try to reach an “accommodation” with the tenant.  Something like he agrees to flush more often and for every month with no back up I credit his rent $25.  
Good luck.  What you’re experiencing is the problems, responsibilities, and negotiations, frustrations, expenses, etc. of being a landlord.  Most of us doing it a long time have developed systems so that we handle these things efficiently.  My particular program is to only invest in class A in residential (I do b, c and even d in commercial), charge the tenant the high end of the scale, and fix immediately anything he wants that’s even semi reasonable.  That works for me but probably won’t for a majority of landlords. 

Class A, high rents and immediate repairs. That's my strategy. Works great.

 Where about are you investing? 

Quote from @Craig Janet:

Did the plumber check the water levels in the tank? If it's not adjusted correctly there won't be enough water to flush everything down. 

You could also try to find an older toilet with 3.5 gallon flush instead of the standard 1.6 gallon that is the standard now. 

Yes he did. He increased the amount of water per flush. 
Quote from @Lynn McGeein:

This post reminded me of when my kids started using toilet without our help. We eventually figured out that they were using like half of a roll each time because they were terrified waste might touch their hands. Was kind of funny, but expensive because took us a while to figure it out -- older home so we assumed it was a plumbing problem, and obviously went through a lot of TP! If similar situation, then any additional repair after plumber informed you of the problem should be the tenant's responsibility.  


 I believe that’s exactly what’s going on. Plumber told them to either use a waste basket if they’re not going to start using less TP. 

Quote from @Joe S.:

I read some of the replies, but not all of them in detail. So maybe this has been mentioned already.

Have you priced installing macerating toilets? 

I have not no. What do they usually run? 
Quote from @Giselle Azcona-Lubbock:
Quote from @Nadir M.:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Nadir M.:

Hello BP,

Wanted to get everyone’s opinion on what they would do in this situation. My current tenant said that the toilet is clogged again. Had it opened about 3-4 weeks ago and the reason was too much TP. I told him that they need to dispose of TP in the closed trash waste basket. If it happens again due to too much TP then the cost will be on the tenant. So it happened again…and it due to too much TP. He said that it’s unsanitary and gross to place TP in waste basket and that I should have included that in the lease that can’t flush TP. So I’m going to send him the bill but doubt he will pay and doubt that this issue will be resolved because they’ll continue to flush TP down the toilet. How would you guys handle this? What’s the recommendation? I’m okay with telling them to break the lease and I’ll give them their deposit back minus the cleaning fee.


Any thoughts/feedback is greatly appreciate Thank you 


 Yep I would not do this if I was a tenant. I have been to some islands where you need to do this and I was like - no thanks.

Have you had a camera go down the drain? What I would do is get a camera down the waste line, share it with them and let them know. Thenif it clogs and its because of too much TP then charge them. They will eventually learn. If its because the home is old, that is more on you in that instance.


Well the plumber went there twice and said clog was due to TP. He said the pipes are fine. I told him the second  occurance if it’s due to TP again then it’s on him. If the house is too old then I’m not sure what I can do. I guess break the lease and have him find a newer home? Waste cans with lids that manually open and shut I thought were standard. I was always told and told others that TP or baby wipes are not to be flushed. I get flushing it down the toilet if you’re on an island for sure, but not when you’re renting a single family home and it’s your family. 


 You mentioned they have kids, so they probably used a diaper pale before which is more or less the same concept as putting tp in a trash can. I guess a question to consider other than something that can be easily solved if they're willing to is: are they decent/good tenants? How long have they lived in the unit? Do they pay their rent on time? Other than this unfortunate issue, do they generally take care of the property? 


 Overall they pay on time, when I visit the house is clean. I will say when they moved in, I had to replace the washer, the microwave, the carpet in the entire basement (required), the safety sensors on the garage.  their cat scratched through the screen door to the deck, and the toilets got clogged twice. Other than that, they’re responsive and are patient. It’s weird that so much started to break down as soon as they started renting there. They were older appliances so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt but again, no other issues with other tenants. 

Quote from @Kevin Epp:

@Nadir M.

There's a lot of hot takes on here that are calling you cheap, lazy, unfit to be a landlord... and I do not believe that is the case based on what I'm reading here.

Charge the tenant for the next TP clog.

1. You've had a professional company conclude that it is not the pipes, but the amount of toilet paper.

2. You have a new toilet.

3. You paid for the first unclogging. Now it's become an issue.

4. Previous tenants did not have this issue. Same toilet, same pipes.

5. You are not the one placing toilet paper in the toilet, thus causing the issue.

6. Though the bathroom can is a cultural taboo in the US, people put waste from baby diapers in a can daily and don't bat an eye. Thanks for pointing that out Giselle. Of course, given the cultural taboo of it all...not the permanent solution.

I'd say charge them.

Cracking up...spending my Thursday morning talking about poop paper solutions...

Same here…it’s hysterical a bit but need to have a solution. I love the diaper example and it’s so true!!! Everyone has a right of stating their own opinion, no matter how harsh or inappropriate it may come across. No hard feelings here. I do appreciate everyone’s input at the end. I did discuss with the tenant, I told him flush twice and use less toilet paper, he said thank you and will do! So we will see. Thank you Kevin. 
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

Putting TP in the trash is the wrong response.

If the plumbing is functional, then this is a tenant responsibility. They need to learn how to use less toilet paper, flush more often, or install a bidet.

In the meantime, you are right to charge them for the plumbing bill.

Thank you Nathan. I did state to them that this is the first time this issue has happened within the last 5 years I’ve owned the property. The plumber stated twice that it’s too much TP and his kids are the only ones that I believe use that bathroom. I was thinking of installing a new toilet but again, if they’re loading it up, I don’t know how much help that would be