@Nadir M. it's not too much TP.
Yeah, I get it, you had "a" plumber out and he said blah blah blah, I get it. Look, that plumber was not into getting into things and he gave you and tenant the brush off, that's the reality of it.
Toilet paper will NOT do that of it's own, it just won't. The ONLY way TP alone would be the issue, you'd have to throw like literally half a roll at a time down and do that repeatedly, multiple times, in rapid succession.
But what COULD do it; tenant could have put something else down, dang flushable wipes especially. And before turn in line, it makes a kind of catch. So now your 3" line is more like a 1.5" line.
This will build up n build up, and then yes, clog up with small amount of TP and make it hard to fix via plunger.
And you said just did a bunch of work. Well, any chance any of those guys used jobsite hand cleaners and flushed em? Which are basically flushable wipes? Yeah, that commonly happen. If I catch guys on jobsite doing that I fine em cost to have drain guys come out and run the lines, because that's literally what ya gotta do.
Cast iron lines especially are notorious for this.
Look, people are jumping to assumptions that your a cheap slumlord, and your not enjoying that right. Well, how about ya extend the same courtesy to tenant of not jumping on an assumption to them.
Call a drain professional, not a plumber. Can have em scope it first. I assure you will find something.
Depends.
Personally, if it's 1st time, I scold them and let them know of the "fine" for such, but at end I waive it if there otherwise decent tenants so now it's left in a positive manner and they know they will be paying if done again.
Legally speaking, unless they confess to it you can't prove it was from them. And unless you know for fact, you don't really know either. As mentioned, could be these tenants, previous vendors, or previous tenants, depends.
We should be talking a couple too few hundred bucks, this isn't some giant cost worth creating a bad relation with tenant.
And you need to stop with the knee jerk reaction that things are tenant with no evidence to such.
It’s the second occurrence within a couple months. I was nice the first time and told them I’ll take care of the bill but please make sure you use less TP and supervise your kids since they’re still very young. When it happened the second time that’s when I realized it may be an ongoing issue. They need to pay for it which will ultimately result in a feud I feel like…which I tend to always try to prevent.
Wrong dead wrong.
If it's let's say flushable wipes in there from the vendors, it's definitively not there fault. It's NOT too much TP, stop with that BS excuse, nobody in the know is buying this BS excuse, that literally is NOT possible period end of story full-stop. If you had any clue about plumbing you'd understand why.
To say they use too much TP is a DEFECT of property as it's NOT working in standard order and you WILL loose in court. Because it's legally required your property be up to NORMAL working standard measure.
FYI; now you are starting to act like a slumlord. Cut the sh_t out. IF it's the tenant making such happen from abuse of any kind, yes THEN accountability but you don't know jack, cut it out, get facts not opinions and assumptions.
So it’s a plumbing issue if it’s happening to one toilet and everything is operating fine? I guess I’m confused to why another toilet, that’s smaller and older, is having no issues (which is also the master bedroom) while the hallway bathroom is. I don’t understand why way too much toilet paper couldn’t be the issue…some TP doesn’t dissolve like certain other brands. To also say that’s it’s happened with them twice while not happening to any other tenant is also potentially saying too much TP.
Look, I don't understand why space-x can land rockets and others can't, my lack of knowledge or understanding does not change the facts of things.
Any and ALL normal operating toilets and toilet plumbing will NOT be incapable of handling TP, come on man, it's kind of obvious common sense, it is.
A normal clog is handled with a plunger. You're not having normal clogs are you, because your not calling out a plumber to simply take 3min with a plunger, right. It's what we call an IMPACTION.
Trade school for plumbing is 2-4yrs, I'm not gonna take you from 0 knowledge to full comprehension on a web forum.
You have a requirement for standard normal operation. When you got called out for BS you said it was unfair, but here you are obsessing with ignoring things and just searching for how to blame tenant for anything/everything and defer any responsibility at all including discovery of the actual root cause. Your making yourself look like a slumlord more n more.
I told ya, get a drain professional out there. Plumbers are not drain guys, or I should say very rarely are they. Sure plumbers can do it, but it's not what they really do, so call a drain guy. If the stool was the issue that is a plumber thing and you said he cleared that already, ok, so it's a drain line issue. So, bring out a the pro's for that and find out what's wrong. It's just that simple.
i already said 2/3 times that I give it 80%+ odd's it's some form of flushable wipes down there that have made a near blockage. So what if it was fine before, that's how literally everything works on a home. The roof is fine until it leaks, decks are fine until they are not, things wear out, line blockages don't happen overnight they most often are buildups over time until the result IS seen overnight.
As I said, get the drain pro's out there, scope the line, find out what it is, then have em clear the line. They wont just snake it which doesn't necessarily clear a line, they will clear it. That is unless it's something that can't be cleared like say a cast iron hunk jutting out, rare but it can happen.
But blaming this on toilet paper in childish, and getting real old. Go to the home supply shop and look at a 3" line, just look at one, you tell me how much TP a person would need to put down to make a clog a plunger couldn't clear. Repetitively.
it's OBVIOUS that something happened and my bet is exiting tenant, vendors who were in, or this new tenant but your NOT gonna know who or what until you get it scoped and find out what the impaction/build-up is and from visual a guesstimate of how long it's been down there.
I had a similar issue, we scoped it and saw faces looking back at us, lol. Pulled almost half a dozen action figures and small dolls out of there. Current tenants had no kids. Tenants who just left did.
Previous tenants had no kids this one does so I will do a scope
Are they young kids still in diapers? Using wipes? If flushing those wipes, oh-yeah, that'll do it. That'll do it real fast.
No they’re older, I would say 4 and 6 years old
@Nadir M. it's not too much TP.
Yeah, I get it, you had "a" plumber out and he said blah blah blah, I get it. Look, that plumber was not into getting into things and he gave you and tenant the brush off, that's the reality of it.
Toilet paper will NOT do that of it's own, it just won't. The ONLY way TP alone would be the issue, you'd have to throw like literally half a roll at a time down and do that repeatedly, multiple times, in rapid succession.
But what COULD do it; tenant could have put something else down, dang flushable wipes especially. And before turn in line, it makes a kind of catch. So now your 3" line is more like a 1.5" line.
This will build up n build up, and then yes, clog up with small amount of TP and make it hard to fix via plunger.
And you said just did a bunch of work. Well, any chance any of those guys used jobsite hand cleaners and flushed em? Which are basically flushable wipes? Yeah, that commonly happen. If I catch guys on jobsite doing that I fine em cost to have drain guys come out and run the lines, because that's literally what ya gotta do.
Cast iron lines especially are notorious for this.
Look, people are jumping to assumptions that your a cheap slumlord, and your not enjoying that right. Well, how about ya extend the same courtesy to tenant of not jumping on an assumption to them.
Call a drain professional, not a plumber. Can have em scope it first. I assure you will find something.
Depends.
Personally, if it's 1st time, I scold them and let them know of the "fine" for such, but at end I waive it if there otherwise decent tenants so now it's left in a positive manner and they know they will be paying if done again.
Legally speaking, unless they confess to it you can't prove it was from them. And unless you know for fact, you don't really know either. As mentioned, could be these tenants, previous vendors, or previous tenants, depends.
We should be talking a couple too few hundred bucks, this isn't some giant cost worth creating a bad relation with tenant.
And you need to stop with the knee jerk reaction that things are tenant with no evidence to such.
It’s the second occurrence within a couple months. I was nice the first time and told them I’ll take care of the bill but please make sure you use less TP and supervise your kids since they’re still very young. When it happened the second time that’s when I realized it may be an ongoing issue. They need to pay for it which will ultimately result in a feud I feel like…which I tend to always try to prevent.
Wrong dead wrong.
If it's let's say flushable wipes in there from the vendors, it's definitively not there fault. It's NOT too much TP, stop with that BS excuse, nobody in the know is buying this BS excuse, that literally is NOT possible period end of story full-stop. If you had any clue about plumbing you'd understand why.
To say they use too much TP is a DEFECT of property as it's NOT working in standard order and you WILL loose in court. Because it's legally required your property be up to NORMAL working standard measure.
FYI; now you are starting to act like a slumlord. Cut the sh_t out. IF it's the tenant making such happen from abuse of any kind, yes THEN accountability but you don't know jack, cut it out, get facts not opinions and assumptions.
So it’s a plumbing issue if it’s happening to one toilet and everything is operating fine? I guess I’m confused to why another toilet, that’s smaller and older, is having no issues (which is also the master bedroom) while the hallway bathroom is. I don’t understand why way too much toilet paper couldn’t be the issue…some TP doesn’t dissolve like certain other brands. To also say that’s it’s happened with them twice while not happening to any other tenant is also potentially saying too much TP.
Look, I don't understand why space-x can land rockets and others can't, my lack of knowledge or understanding does not change the facts of things.
Any and ALL normal operating toilets and toilet plumbing will NOT be incapable of handling TP, come on man, it's kind of obvious common sense, it is.
A normal clog is handled with a plunger. You're not having normal clogs are you, because your not calling out a plumber to simply take 3min with a plunger, right. It's what we call an IMPACTION.
Trade school for plumbing is 2-4yrs, I'm not gonna take you from 0 knowledge to full comprehension on a web forum.
You have a requirement for standard normal operation. When you got called out for BS you said it was unfair, but here you are obsessing with ignoring things and just searching for how to blame tenant for anything/everything and defer any responsibility at all including discovery of the actual root cause. Your making yourself look like a slumlord more n more.
I told ya, get a drain professional out there. Plumbers are not drain guys, or I should say very rarely are they. Sure plumbers can do it, but it's not what they really do, so call a drain guy. If the stool was the issue that is a plumber thing and you said he cleared that already, ok, so it's a drain line issue. So, bring out a the pro's for that and find out what's wrong. It's just that simple.
i already said 2/3 times that I give it 80%+ odd's it's some form of flushable wipes down there that have made a near blockage. So what if it was fine before, that's how literally everything works on a home. The roof is fine until it leaks, decks are fine until they are not, things wear out, line blockages don't happen overnight they most often are buildups over time until the result IS seen overnight.
As I said, get the drain pro's out there, scope the line, find out what it is, then have em clear the line. They wont just snake it which doesn't necessarily clear a line, they will clear it. That is unless it's something that can't be cleared like say a cast iron hunk jutting out, rare but it can happen.
But blaming this on toilet paper in childish, and getting real old. Go to the home supply shop and look at a 3" line, just look at one, you tell me how much TP a person would need to put down to make a clog a plunger couldn't clear. Repetitively.
it's OBVIOUS that something happened and my bet is exiting tenant, vendors who were in, or this new tenant but your NOT gonna know who or what until you get it scoped and find out what the impaction/build-up is and from visual a guesstimate of how long it's been down there.
I had a similar issue, we scoped it and saw faces looking back at us, lol. Pulled almost half a dozen action figures and small dolls out of there. Current tenants had no kids. Tenants who just left did.
Previous tenants had no kids this one does so I will do a scope
If I was the tenant, and the landlord told me to do that....... Id take the used toilet paper to the landlords house and stick it on his house and car til he fixed the toilet.
@Nadir M. it's not too much TP.
Yeah, I get it, you had "a" plumber out and he said blah blah blah, I get it. Look, that plumber was not into getting into things and he gave you and tenant the brush off, that's the reality of it.
Toilet paper will NOT do that of it's own, it just won't. The ONLY way TP alone would be the issue, you'd have to throw like literally half a roll at a time down and do that repeatedly, multiple times, in rapid succession.
But what COULD do it; tenant could have put something else down, dang flushable wipes especially. And before turn in line, it makes a kind of catch. So now your 3" line is more like a 1.5" line.
This will build up n build up, and then yes, clog up with small amount of TP and make it hard to fix via plunger.
And you said just did a bunch of work. Well, any chance any of those guys used jobsite hand cleaners and flushed em? Which are basically flushable wipes? Yeah, that commonly happen. If I catch guys on jobsite doing that I fine em cost to have drain guys come out and run the lines, because that's literally what ya gotta do.
Cast iron lines especially are notorious for this.
Look, people are jumping to assumptions that your a cheap slumlord, and your not enjoying that right. Well, how about ya extend the same courtesy to tenant of not jumping on an assumption to them.
Call a drain professional, not a plumber. Can have em scope it first. I assure you will find something.
Depends.
Personally, if it's 1st time, I scold them and let them know of the "fine" for such, but at end I waive it if there otherwise decent tenants so now it's left in a positive manner and they know they will be paying if done again.
Legally speaking, unless they confess to it you can't prove it was from them. And unless you know for fact, you don't really know either. As mentioned, could be these tenants, previous vendors, or previous tenants, depends.
We should be talking a couple too few hundred bucks, this isn't some giant cost worth creating a bad relation with tenant.
And you need to stop with the knee jerk reaction that things are tenant with no evidence to such.
It’s the second occurrence within a couple months. I was nice the first time and told them I’ll take care of the bill but please make sure you use less TP and supervise your kids since they’re still very young. When it happened the second time that’s when I realized it may be an ongoing issue. They need to pay for it which will ultimately result in a feud I feel like…which I tend to always try to prevent.
Wrong dead wrong.
If it's let's say flushable wipes in there from the vendors, it's definitively not there fault. It's NOT too much TP, stop with that BS excuse, nobody in the know is buying this BS excuse, that literally is NOT possible period end of story full-stop. If you had any clue about plumbing you'd understand why.
To say they use too much TP is a DEFECT of property as it's NOT working in standard order and you WILL loose in court. Because it's legally required your property be up to NORMAL working standard measure.
FYI; now you are starting to act like a slumlord. Cut the sh_t out. IF it's the tenant making such happen from abuse of any kind, yes THEN accountability but you don't know jack, cut it out, get facts not opinions and assumptions.
So it’s a plumbing issue if it’s happening to one toilet and everything is operating fine? I guess I’m confused to why another toilet, that’s smaller and older, is having no issues (which is also the master bedroom) while the hallway bathroom is. I don’t understand why way too much toilet paper couldn’t be the issue…some TP doesn’t dissolve like certain other brands. To also say that’s it’s happened with them twice while not happening to any other tenant is also potentially saying too much TP.
@Nadir M. it's not too much TP.
Yeah, I get it, you had "a" plumber out and he said blah blah blah, I get it. Look, that plumber was not into getting into things and he gave you and tenant the brush off, that's the reality of it.
Toilet paper will NOT do that of it's own, it just won't. The ONLY way TP alone would be the issue, you'd have to throw like literally half a roll at a time down and do that repeatedly, multiple times, in rapid succession.
But what COULD do it; tenant could have put something else down, dang flushable wipes especially. And before turn in line, it makes a kind of catch. So now your 3" line is more like a 1.5" line.
This will build up n build up, and then yes, clog up with small amount of TP and make it hard to fix via plunger.
And you said just did a bunch of work. Well, any chance any of those guys used jobsite hand cleaners and flushed em? Which are basically flushable wipes? Yeah, that commonly happen. If I catch guys on jobsite doing that I fine em cost to have drain guys come out and run the lines, because that's literally what ya gotta do.
Cast iron lines especially are notorious for this.
Look, people are jumping to assumptions that your a cheap slumlord, and your not enjoying that right. Well, how about ya extend the same courtesy to tenant of not jumping on an assumption to them.
Call a drain professional, not a plumber. Can have em scope it first. I assure you will find something.
Depends.
Personally, if it's 1st time, I scold them and let them know of the "fine" for such, but at end I waive it if there otherwise decent tenants so now it's left in a positive manner and they know they will be paying if done again.
Legally speaking, unless they confess to it you can't prove it was from them. And unless you know for fact, you don't really know either. As mentioned, could be these tenants, previous vendors, or previous tenants, depends.
We should be talking a couple too few hundred bucks, this isn't some giant cost worth creating a bad relation with tenant.
And you need to stop with the knee jerk reaction that things are tenant with no evidence to such.
It’s the second occurrence within a couple months. I was nice the first time and told them I’ll take care of the bill but please make sure you use less TP and supervise your kids since they’re still very young. When it happened the second time that’s when I realized it may be an ongoing issue. They need to pay for it which will ultimately result in a feud I feel like…which I tend to always try to prevent.
@Nadir M. it's not too much TP.
Yeah, I get it, you had "a" plumber out and he said blah blah blah, I get it. Look, that plumber was not into getting into things and he gave you and tenant the brush off, that's the reality of it.
Toilet paper will NOT do that of it's own, it just won't. The ONLY way TP alone would be the issue, you'd have to throw like literally half a roll at a time down and do that repeatedly, multiple times, in rapid succession.
But what COULD do it; tenant could have put something else down, dang flushable wipes especially. And before turn in line, it makes a kind of catch. So now your 3" line is more like a 1.5" line.
This will build up n build up, and then yes, clog up with small amount of TP and make it hard to fix via plunger.
And you said just did a bunch of work. Well, any chance any of those guys used jobsite hand cleaners and flushed em? Which are basically flushable wipes? Yeah, that commonly happen. If I catch guys on jobsite doing that I fine em cost to have drain guys come out and run the lines, because that's literally what ya gotta do.
Cast iron lines especially are notorious for this.
Look, people are jumping to assumptions that your a cheap slumlord, and your not enjoying that right. Well, how about ya extend the same courtesy to tenant of not jumping on an assumption to them.
Call a drain professional, not a plumber. Can have em scope it first. I assure you will find something.
what page of the slumlord handbook did this come out of?
Nah, I'd have my lawyer file a 30 day NTQ. They would state the reasons for the eviction. And they would be evicted.
@Nadir M. Perhaps the tenant is using too much TP but reading your follow up posts suggests your home has deferred maintenance issues you’re unwilling to properly repair and only willing to implement duct tape level corrections. How can you make a statement like the plumbing is old I’m not replacing it? Does the same apply to knob and tube wiring if it’s found in the house?
Your explanation for why you’re a responsive landlord doesn’t cut it for me either. What does the fact you had to re-paint and replace carpet due to a water intrusion issue have to do with the plumbing issue that’s the focus of your post? What caused the water intrusion issue during the heavy rain and why didn’t you correct the underlying issue? Won’t you have to paint and re-carpet again the next time there’s a heavy rain storm? You replaced a microwave and washer and dryer because they didn’t work? Who cares? Was it represented in the lease that those appliance were included? If so, you have a duty to provide those to the tenant. You also acknowledged you had roots in your drain. When was the last time that was cleared?
Merely speculating but my guess is this is a lower value house that struggles to absorb cap ex. It’s unfortunately a problem with many lower priced real estate assets which are disproportionately impacted by such repairs. Appears this may be a C/D property problem disguised as a TP issue.
