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All Forum Posts by: Michael Wagner

Michael Wagner has started 37 posts and replied 805 times.

Post: Self Storage

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Originally posted by @Clemens W.:

Thanks for the advice given, very helpful!  I also get the impression from what is listed on the various platforms (loopnet, etc.) that prices are way too high. 

Yes, many listed properties are listed such that they aren't a "deal".  That said, if you are diligent, you can find some great deals...the truth is though, its more about "creating" deals than finding them.  Identifying hidden potential and using creative deal structures can be what makes difference in many cases.  You will also be wise to farm OFF market properties!

Post: Self Storage Units for Cash Flow

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Well Done!  How many square feet of storage is that?

Post: Self Storage

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Post: Self Storage how are you folks doing with rent collections ?

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Our April Collections are slightly ahead of pace relative to March.  Lock outs happen today and no late fees until the 10th (which I will waive for anyone who asks as long as they pay by the end of the month)... 

Post: Self Storage how are you folks doing with rent collections ?

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Too early to tell IMO but if you insist on preliminary data I am happy to share...At our largest facility, we collected $5900 on March 1st and 2nd and $6073 on April 1 and the first half of April 2....so I'd say no change based on that very small sample size.  That represents a bit over half of what the facility currently grosses ($13K) per month.  Will be interesting to see what this looks like in 5-10 days!

Post: Self Storage Unit Investing for Beginners: The pros and cons?

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The Almanac gets published every year... Here's a link:

https://www.ministoragemesseng...

I have no affilliation with mini storage messenger and make no money of the sale of this item...just sharing:) and including this disclaimer in hopes that this link remains here long enough to be of value.

Post: Backing out of a great deal because of coronavirus covid-19

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Originally posted by @Jocelyn Hinz:

I’m in a similar situation right now. Have a self storage deal under contract. It’s underperforming but has so much potential. We have a good price on it but I go back and forth daily (hourly!) on whether or not we should go through with it. We would lose 18k earnest money and we’ve spent almost 15 in due diligence so it would be a bummer of a loss but better than owning a non performing million dollar property right? I don’t know what the answer is. Might see if we can get a price break and then still move forward. 

 Let me know if you decide against moving forward....rather than lose your $33K sunk costs, I could potentially step in and take over your position.  Also, I'd encourage you to think about what would be more valuable to you right now...a price break or extra time?  Perhaps ask for BOTH and see if the seller will give you one of them.  

Post: Buyer's closing costs in PA and Self storage inspectors?

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@Mike Magliette, Yes, I too like the idea of Converting old warehouse space.  I am actually on the tail end of a project where we converted a 45,000 square foot facility into 33,300 rentable square foot of storage.  We've got everything from 5 x 5 units up to 24' x 48' units.  It's  viable model for sure.  Generally faster than ground up development and can usually happen at a lower price point (ours will be $27 per square foot inclusive of land).

And maybe I am nitpicking here put I would respectfully challenge the idea that "in order to grow you have to use leverage" and instead suggest that while leverage can be a very powerful to to increase the rate of growth, it is not a necessity.  We are growing without using much of it at all.  Though we did use it to accelerate growth when we first got started.  It should also be noted that leverage also has the ability to erase a lot of growth pretty quickly.  Like all tools, it can be very powerful if used correctly and it can be dangerous if not used properly.  I'd suggest that far too many (and given that I don't know you, we can agree that this isn't directed at you in any way:) use debt irresponsibly and end up building a house of cards. 

Regarding your comment about no appreciation in Scranton, I'm guessing you mean that there is no "organic" appreciation!  In the storage world (perhaps more so than any other asset class), the value of the property if based on the value. As such, your increasing cash flow will force appreciation.  I recently took a $465K property in the poorest and least populated county in all of Florida to a $1.2-$1.3 Million valuation...belief me when I tell you ALL of that was forced...Like Scranton, we don't have the benefit of organic appreciation.

Just some things to think about as you get started in storage!

Post: Buyer's closing costs in PA and Self storage inspectors?

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Originally posted by @Mike Magliette:

Great post! I think all the above responders have answered your questions quite well. I'm interested in adding self storage to my portfolio as well in Lackawanna County. How did you find the one you are buying? Ever consider building from ground up?

My CPA said it would be best to buy in cash or returns aren't great with self storage, not sure how true that is just what I was told. I'd be interested in speaking with you more about your deal if you would be so kind. 

In any case thanks for the post!

I thought you might find some value in this blog post where I share my take on the pros and cons of developing ground up vs. buying existing:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/3915/86006-3-ways-to-invest-in-self-storage

Regarding your CPA's advice, I am ALL for owning free and clear and making sure that any leverage used is done so responsibly. That said, to say that you can't get good returns UNLESS you buy with cash, it crazy. I no longer have much debt on any of my properties but I did when I got started. I bought my first facility for $330K with an 80% LTV SBA loan...refinanced a couple times to expand it and ultimately sold it for $1.8 Million which was a full $1 Million more than I had into it. Not to mention the $500K in cash flow over my 7 years of ownership. I' used debt in various forms to buy 4 additional properties since then and have done well on those ones as well.

My guess is that your CPA's comment was colored by the fact that he assumed you would be buying a turn key property (which are trading at a premium right now). And if that was the only way to invest, he might be right! Not much delta between compressed CAP rates that we are seeing on turn key properties these days and the interest rates on the loans many folks use to buy them. It is for this exact reason that we only buy VALUE ADD properties...where the income we generate once stabilized is considerably greater than any loan payment we might have.

Hope that helps some!

Post: Buying storage units

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Originally posted by @Zach Quick:

@Ronak Shah Self storage is 1000% business. And more business than real estate to pretty much every asset class.

It has all the ‘real estate' benefits no doubt, but you have to treat it way more like a business than say a small apartment complex, portfolio of homes, NNN investment, office building, etc.

I try and buy self storage from people who think it’s strictly passive real estate everyday :)

I have to disagree here. I'm not suggesting that Storage should not be run as a business but am instead suggesting that ALL real estate investing should be treated as a business. Storage is simply renting out space that you own to others at a price that exceeds your cost to own and operate. In that regard it is no different than renting a duplex. Of course their are industry nuances that need to be understood but I spend FAR less time running my storage business than I ever did running my real estate business. The big fallacy at hand here is really the one around passive income! There's no such thing as free lunch! Residual income, YES....Passive, no such thing! Even those investments that feel "passive" are really residual in nature. For example, many folks tout NNN leases as passive...but unless the investor is throwing a dart at a board to select the investment, its more residual than it is passive.