Well I am glad to see that everybody on here is a saint, or maybe you come from privilege that I can't relate to. I wasn't surrounded by people who gave sound financial advise, nor did I have parents or grandparents to give me a loan or a gift for my first investment. I say that to say this, If I was to base my success on the bank telling me yes or no and leaving it at that I would not be where I am today. They told me no over and over until I bent the rules to my advantage. I can't except everybody to relate. Maybe you all have great jobs with great incomes, a bread winning spouse, and great relationships with banks. If so this this blog is not for you, but for those who find it hard to do things the "traditional way". I refuse to let a NO determine my destiny. P.S. Pete rent can be used as an indication of what you can afford. You can have no credit and get approved for a mortgage using rental history of 2 years or greater by going to a mortgage company that does their own underwriting. This is the kind of stuff you have to know when you trying to come from nothing to something my friend.