Originally posted by Tom Spaeth:
You need to watch the cross co-lateralization to refi you are thinking about. Most banks (in spite of what a mortgage broker might say to you) will not payoff loans on multiple properties. That gets classified as a cash out refi. Many times that means they say no. You may want to research the process a bit more. An option is to use the equity to guarantee a mortgage with a lender like Merchants Mortgage. Then they will lend on the full fix & Hold project and the refi will take out the loans that are against the property you are working on.
As a mortgage broker told me last year. If the loan is not shown on the purchase HUD-1 nor was it currently an active lien on the property then forget about getting any cash back at closing.
May be a different story if you are planning on waiting over a year to refi. And then there are always some niche lenders. But that's always the gamble.
I'm not sure I follow. But I like that you chimed in before I started signing papers.
For tapping the equity in the existing house I am looking at a 2nd note on my primary residence. This will provide enough cash to purchase (full, clear title in my name), hold, and rehab at least one other house. At that point I want to refi the newly purchased house (after rehab) for only the amount of purchase and rehab, and actual money used from cash from the 2nd note on the primary.
The refi would be a cash out loan, but only on the new property. The cash would then pay off the second note on the primary residence.
My understanding (again, may be incorrect) is that using the equity of the current house as collateral (instead of cash) for a loan on the new place means I'm not actually considered a cash buyer in most situations. This should only really come into play should the house need too much work for a bank to accept the loan - that's probably too much work for me anyway! or in the case of auction where certified funds are needed on the spot, or potentially in a "avoid foreclosure" situation where a quick closing is needed.
Based on your response it sounds like I might have more questions to ask. But I'm not exactly sure what those questions might be. If you think I'm about to do something stupid, lets talk it out.
My mortgage broker claims to have been down this path at least once before... I understand I may be trusting the man a little too much, but we do have a rather longstanding relationship and I feel he has earned some trust.
Thanks!
-Matt