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Post: Trump Policies Will Put Downward Pressure on Real Estate Rents/Prices

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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Nicholas L.:
thanks for the predictions! regardless of my political beliefs, i am of course still hopeful that the economy remains strong. even the cuts to foreign aid though i don't think will bring that much money back domestically... open to other perspectives on this but i don't see it.
i genuinely don't know what will happen with interest rates. i do think even if there is a slight decrease, it brings buyers back like you said.
one thing that doesn't get covered a lot is how many properties are owned free and clear - about 40% i believe. so, these owners are under a lot less pressure to sell than someone with a mortgage payment. and in my experience they'd rather leave a property vacant than sell for less than what their neighbor got.
Taking that money that was going overseas, and keeping it at home, has got to have a positive affect. I mean, we're talkin 100's of Billions....
The #1 positive effect it has, that I never hear any talk about, is it improves the US position in global economy and trade positioning.
How?
Think of it this way. The US has been providing all this "free security" to ___name_the_nations___ . So those nations don't have to spend the $ and manpower on doing it themself.
Instead, those nations can spend the $ on things improving there economies, there exports, there whatever that is COMPETING vs US exports or what-not.
FORCE the nations to pay for there own programs, to provide and fund there own security, forcing them to stand on there own 2 feet vs USING U.S. and U.S. $ to pay for and do the things they don't want to pay for or do..... Yes, those nations have less in other arenas to infill for what they USED the US to do.
It's like kicking a near 30-something adult child out of your basement.
Yup, they go kicking and screaming how there just gonna starve. But you know they are 100% capable of taking care of themself, they just don't want to because the free ride was so nice.
The US has been paying for it's own competition, just in a round about manner.
Think of it this way. If you own a Burger joint, and across the street is another burger joint, what would happen if you pay 15% of there rent for them?
What if you paid 15% of the rent for every restaurant on the block?
Yup, next thing ya know your the most expensive on the street and struggling to sell anything because you can't price it as cheap as they all do.
STOP paying there rents. When they have to cover there own bills, like magic your selling more, because they can't afford to undercut you anymore. The undercutting you paid for....
Post: Trump Policies Will Put Downward Pressure on Real Estate Rents/Prices

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@Nicholas L. My "Predictions" are:
- All the Hyperbolic, polarized, tribalist, BS "doom-preaching" to EITHER extreme of the spectrum will very-VERY rapidly get blocked out by mass populace as a whole. Rating for such will plumit and be noticed each time ___ does it, ratings go int he toilet signaling the people just don't want to hear it, ANY of it anymore.
because the people, we've been through this dance before. So I see people all the wiser this 2nd time around, and far less patient of any/all BS.
- With that, making for an accelerated pace of just, getting on with the business of living life.
I see news posts this spring of "oh wow, things are really coming back". And it won't be any real achievement of anyone's other than people just throwing in the towel on the drama of everything and getting on with life.
- With this air of acceptance of what IS, and moving forward, and seeing mortgage rates not really moving in any direction, brings acceptance of housing opportunity cost. I see home sales significantly ticking up in volume, not because of any great significant anything changing, it's just people accepting the fantasy of some huge housing collapse is not coming and waiting on fantasy is really costing them. People waiting sidelines coming to acceptance of the new landscape and understanding waiting is costing them $ not making them $.
- The movement of these off sidelines inspires MORE movement off the sidelines. Chicken & the egg effect.
- SFH starts increase in a nominal manner given concerns in supply chain, although all outlook is for radical shift in Canada/US relations as the incoming Canadian powers are far FAR in greater alignment with US Administration of current thus, breakthroughs are very real potentials and with that we very well may see significant improvements for trade and costs in say lumber, thus empowering building boom. A Black-swan to monitor for.
- If an enduring "fix" is implemented in realm of MFH / Commercial Finance, for example a kind of gov. insurance similar to FHA but for a commercial finance bridge loan to cover the rate disparity and swing it to back end or something like that, something. If such "solution" is effected thus removing prospects of some collapse/calamity in MFH world, great volumes of capitol stockpiled in anticipation for deployment there would need and be seeking anew home, and could fuel a SFH building boom, possibly stock boom, or even race into bonds thus fueling a drop to bond rate.
= In summary =
I see Americans tuning out the BS noise, letting and trusting the Administration to do there dang job, and we all focus more and more on ours.
There will be crying and complaining by the "toddlers" as they loose there "binkies" but as all good parents know, ignore it, they simmer down, and next thing there a-ok and doing what there supposed to.
That means more n more joining as contributors int he economy vs leaching from it. As that % increases in people being active in the economic machine, as efficiency increases, things start compounding improvement in a feedback loop.
Raising median incomes, lowering fears, and housing of course improving and improving from such.
Post: Trump Policies Will Put Downward Pressure on Real Estate Rents/Prices

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Quote from @Steve K.:
Quote from @Eric Bilderback:
Quote from @Steve K.:
Quote from @Eric Bilderback:
Quote from @Steve K.:
Do you feel the same about all these politicians that go to DC make 200k a year and in 10 years are worth 25 million? Pelosi comes to mind her stock trades, her husband was in his underwear with a gay prostitute and they blamed MAGA that seems kind of weird, to say the least. Trump is the first President I am aware whos net worth went down while he was the President. I would pushback on you and say that for all of Trump's many faults he has a strong conviction on what needs to be done. You may not like it but Trump is doing what he believes is in the best interest of the country. No?
Not a fan of any corrupt politicians, I consider myself a centrist not beholden to either party and for the record I have not been a fan of Trump since when he was a Democrat (which he was for a long time before becoming a Republican, then he switched parties I believe at least 5 times).
The question I was hoping you would answer is does Trump believe what he is doing is good for the country or is he knowingly harming the country for his own benefit? You come across as a little smug and with an attitude as anyone who disagrees with you is obviously a corrupt or a total moron.
I think it's obvious that Trump only cares about himself. Look at how he stole his father's inheritance from his brother's kids and cut them off entirely (even their health insurance) when their son was suffering from epilepsy. The man is shameless. Just ask his former staffers from his first term, his former Vice President even, his former lawyer, etc. they all say he only cares about himself. Again, I never liked him even when he was a Democrat. He's always seemed slimy. I think I began disliking him all the way back when he was on the Howard Stern show talking about how his own daughter is a "nice piece of a**". That's the first time I remember being disgusted by him. I grew up in the NYC area so maybe my memories of Trump go back farther than others. There's a reason that not many people in his own home town voted for him. He has a long history of scuzzy behavior and doing bad deals in NYC, not paying his contractors, etc. Not to mention his taxes. How can you believe he cares about his country if you look at his taxes? Literally claiming $70k/year for doing whatever it is that he does to his hair, and lots of other questionable tax schemes that I don't think you'd approve of if anyone else did them. That's why he didn't want his taxes getting out. I don't know how anyone can support a guy like that.
Give it a rest. We see you, nice tinfoil hat, were all so proud of you yeaaahhh. Now keep the crazy to yourself for a bit k..... Thanks bud.
Post: Trump Policies Will Put Downward Pressure on Real Estate Rents/Prices

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Quote from @Peter W.:
Quote from @Daniel Suarez:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Steve K.:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Steve K.:
Elon is getting $8M per day in tax dollars, while cutting government programs that cost much less than that per year. And he was not elected. The programs he's cutting employ a lot of good people and provide a lot of good services to the country. Has anyone seen the letters that federal employees are getting? These were not written by government employees and are insulting to good people who provide civil services. They say "stop being lazy and find a real job in the private sector". It's absurd and unjust. I know for a fact that Elon is a con man from when I worked in the solar industry, his solar company was a total scam and gave the whole industry a bad name. Trump also has a history of scamming people (Trump University, his charity, all of the contractors he never paid, everyone who got the short end of the stick during his multiple bankruptcies, claiming $70k tax write off per year on his taxes to do his hair, his company was found guilty of fraud, etc.). It's a con job by two of the biggest con artists in history. People are still worried about Hunter's laptop or Hillary's emails when the conspiracy is right in front of us. Like I said earlier, these two will be the world's first Trillionaires while the rest of us suffer.
Ok, this Trump Derangement Syndrome is way outta control now. How about some FACTS and TRUTH OF CONTEXT for this:




Yeah, what an Evil Guy Elon and Space-X is charging the US $8m per day for what was $16m+ per day.......
"HOW DARE YOU SAVE US MONEY ELON!!!!!!!!"
Get out of you propaganda bubble Steve and read some facts. Stop being a tool used by those with nefarious reasons. You’re better than this Steve. You’re smarter and better than this.
You’ve obviously fallen for the con. I know for a fact Elon is a con man from insider information. Whenever his solar company was about to go bankrupt, he’d launch an “exciting new product that will revolutionize the solar industry”. My friend was the head of the new products division there and Elon would just come up with these random new product ideas the night before a meeting with investors while pulling an all-nighter (on drugs btw) then order my friend to put a big marketing presentation together quickly, literally using Hollywood movie sets and actors pretending to be satisfied customers when the products were completely fake. Stocks would go up after the presentation, all based on lies. The product would never come out or even begin being developed, 100% smoke and mirrors. He does this with Tesla all the time too. Stocks will go down based on missed earnings reports and Elon will just announce some new shiny object that is “coming soon” to pump the stocks. Like the Optimus Robot that is supposedly autonomous and coming to market next year, but was actually being controlled by humans with remote controls at its launch party. Just to pump the stock up. How much do you want to bet the robot will not be for sale anytime in the near future? The cybertruck and autonomous driving are also examples of products he promised many years before they were ready just to pump stocks. The stock prices of all of his companies have always been out of whack with their P/E ratios because he’s the world’s best conman. Nobody voted for him, and now he’s firing thousands of federal employees.
Wow, Steve, with all love brotha, seriously, your space-cadet way out there man. Come back down to earth with us.
Seriously Bro, you need a detox. No joke, you need a propaganda detox.
I suggest like one of those Canadian get-aways where it's awesome fishing, water sports, and no internet or cell reception.
Just nature, life NO media of any kind at all.
Look, it is fundamentally impossible for Elon to be any form of a "con-man". He has invented more things than this text box will probably allow for text, I mean that very literally.
For Tesla he literally invented an entirely new form of manufacturing, including all the machines and tools for that invented manufacturing form.
Space-X is a list of hundreds upon hundreds of inventions. And to boot, he literally posts it all online FREE for anyone/everyone to take and use.
Con Men do not invent things, more or less hundreds and thousands of things.
Con Men do not offer open access to the masses.
Elon said end all EV subsidies, including his. Con Men do not cut off there own e-z $.
Before Space-X the US was reliant on Russian rockets and the Russian space agency. Did you not know this or just forget that?
How is it "welfare"? That's the most bizarre spin.
The US Gov, ie NASA, has contracted to hitch rides on Space-X rockets like a space taxi. Is you paying an Uber Driver "welfare" payments?
Why do they contract for rides on Space-X vs there own rockets? I literally showed you the numbers. Because it's a TON cheaper. It's more then a 50% DISCOUNT.
This total disregard for facts, and blind hate because of someone's political affiliation is mentally unhealthy.
Seriously, get a vacation from all this stuff man, it's making your head soft. Get a detox. I know your smarter than this, I know your smart enough to think it through and think "wtf, that doesn't make sense, that's spin, wtf". But man, they've really got you punch-drunk on the kool-aid.
Con-man might not be the exact word I’d use, but you’re definitely overhyping his achievements. Yeah, he’s done some impressive things, but let’s not act like he single-handedly invented Tesla or revolutionized every aspect of manufacturing. He invested in an existing company and made it successful, which is great, but that’s not the same as inventing it.
And let’s not forget Twitter lost about 80% of its value since he took over—so, not every move he makes is some galaxy-brain genius play. He’s got a track record of ignoring experts and making technical decisions based more on ego than expertise. The whole "he's open-sourcing everything for the world" thing sounds nice, but in practice, a lot of those ideas haven’t exactly panned out the way he claimed they would.
I think calling Tesla an existing business is a bit of a stretch. It was two guys with an electric go cart before Elon came around. He was chairman of the board for a while before taking over as CEO, and probably one of the most active chairmen as well (so active that it made more sense for him to become CEO). What his companies have achieved with him in charge is unthinkably tremendous.
I'd agree that he definitely is not open sourcing everything--I'd probably say he isn't open sourcing anything. I have secondhand knowledge on how he (spaceX) stole a significant portion of the IP for the Dragon.
"He’s got a track record of ignoring experts and making technical decisions based more on ego intuition than expertise." For better sometimes and for worse sometimes, but fixed.
Like all humans he has his goods and bads but he has accomplished is nothing short of unbelievable.
Just google it......
Post: Trump Policies Will Put Downward Pressure on Real Estate Rents/Prices

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Quote from @Steve K.:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Steve K.:
Elon is getting $8M per day in tax dollars, while cutting government programs that cost much less than that per year. And he was not elected. The programs he's cutting employ a lot of good people and provide a lot of good services to the country. Has anyone seen the letters that federal employees are getting? These were not written by government employees and are insulting to good people who provide civil services. They say "stop being lazy and find a real job in the private sector". It's absurd and unjust. I know for a fact that Elon is a con man from when I worked in the solar industry, his solar company was a total scam and gave the whole industry a bad name. Trump also has a history of scamming people (Trump University, his charity, all of the contractors he never paid, everyone who got the short end of the stick during his multiple bankruptcies, claiming $70k tax write off per year on his taxes to do his hair, his company was found guilty of fraud, etc.). It's a con job by two of the biggest con artists in history. People are still worried about Hunter's laptop or Hillary's emails when the conspiracy is right in front of us. Like I said earlier, these two will be the world's first Trillionaires while the rest of us suffer.
Ok, this Trump Derangement Syndrome is way outta control now. How about some FACTS and TRUTH OF CONTEXT for this:




Yeah, what an Evil Guy Elon and Space-X is charging the US $8m per day for what was $16m+ per day.......
"HOW DARE YOU SAVE US MONEY ELON!!!!!!!!"
Get out of you propaganda bubble Steve and read some facts. Stop being a tool used by those with nefarious reasons. You’re better than this Steve. You’re smarter and better than this.
You’ve obviously fallen for the con. I know for a fact Elon is a con man from insider information. Whenever his solar company was about to go bankrupt, he’d launch an “exciting new product that will revolutionize the solar industry”. My friend was the head of the new products division there and Elon would just come up with these random new product ideas the night before a meeting with investors while pulling an all-nighter (on drugs btw) then order my friend to put a big marketing presentation together quickly, literally using Hollywood movie sets and actors pretending to be satisfied customers when the products were completely fake. Stocks would go up after the presentation, all based on lies. The product would never come out or even begin being developed, 100% smoke and mirrors. He does this with Tesla all the time too. Stocks will go down based on missed earnings reports and Elon will just announce some new shiny object that is “coming soon” to pump the stocks. Like the Optimus Robot that is supposedly autonomous and coming to market next year, but was actually being controlled by humans with remote controls at its launch party. Just to pump the stock up. How much do you want to bet the robot will not be for sale anytime in the near future? The cybertruck and autonomous driving are also examples of products he promised many years before they were ready just to pump stocks. The stock prices of all of his companies have always been out of whack with their P/E ratios because he’s the world’s best conman. Nobody voted for him, and now he’s firing thousands of federal employees.
Wow, Steve, with all love brotha, seriously, your space-cadet way out there man. Come back down to earth with us.
Seriously Bro, you need a detox. No joke, you need a propaganda detox.
I suggest like one of those Canadian get-aways where it's awesome fishing, water sports, and no internet or cell reception.
Just nature, life NO media of any kind at all.
Look, it is fundamentally impossible for Elon to be any form of a "con-man". He has invented more things than this text box will probably allow for text, I mean that very literally.
For Tesla he literally invented an entirely new form of manufacturing, including all the machines and tools for that invented manufacturing form.
Space-X is a list of hundreds upon hundreds of inventions. And to boot, he literally posts it all online FREE for anyone/everyone to take and use.
Con Men do not invent things, more or less hundreds and thousands of things.
Con Men do not offer open access to the masses.
Elon said end all EV subsidies, including his. Con Men do not cut off there own e-z $.
Before Space-X the US was reliant on Russian rockets and the Russian space agency. Did you not know this or just forget that?
How is it "welfare"? That's the most bizarre spin.
The US Gov, ie NASA, has contracted to hitch rides on Space-X rockets like a space taxi. Is you paying an Uber Driver "welfare" payments?
Why do they contract for rides on Space-X vs there own rockets? I literally showed you the numbers. Because it's a TON cheaper. It's more then a 50% DISCOUNT.
This total disregard for facts, and blind hate because of someone's political affiliation is mentally unhealthy.
Seriously, get a vacation from all this stuff man, it's making your head soft. Get a detox. I know your smarter than this, I know your smart enough to think it through and think "wtf, that doesn't make sense, that's spin, wtf". But man, they've really got you punch-drunk on the kool-aid.
Post: Trump Policies Will Put Downward Pressure on Real Estate Rents/Prices

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Peter W.:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Peter W.:
Well, this has been a thread. My view is still the president has minimal impact on most of the economy. So my opinion is that what the president is doing has minimal impact on housing. Folks remember, the modus operandi of both political parties is to fill your mind with stress in order to motivate you to do something. Whether or not this stress is warranted is irrelevant to their need to fill your mind with it--in general your emotional energy is better spent elsewhere.
I expect inflation to continue to be elevated--driven in largely by the debt, which will continue to keep rates high and new supply relatively low. And it will continue to provide increases to operational expenses which may or may not be able to pass along to the tenant depending on your market.
Elon is a bit of a loose cannon, sometimes with good ideas, sometimes with bad ideas (remember the boring company or how he kept insisting tesla cars should not come with steering wheels). Some of his cuts will end up being very good and some disasterous. Hopefully the administration will quickly pivot on the bad cuts. I suspect the cuts have minimal but slightly good impact on the debt and the economy.
Not to be a "Debbie Downer" but the Boring Co. is a giant success thus far.... It's kind of doing below ground what Space-X has been doing above, completely redefining and innovating things. It's just a few time steps behind.
They just landed a big contract with Dubai to construct a hyper loop.
There is the Vegas loop, more innovations and completed testing of said innovations than can shake a stick at.
SOooo probably a bad example, unless trying to show what a horse-shoe Elon has up his rear.
Seriously, this man's win's are ridiculous. PayPal, Tesla, Space-X, Star link.... Can call him a lot of things but "loose cannon" is a bit laughable an accusation. He is not the richest man in the world by accident.
Trump administration fires and then tries to rehire nuclear weapons workers in DOGE reversal - CBS News
He's successful because he has a bias towards action rather than thinking which is at least an order of magnitude more useful. He is willing to work an insane amount of hours, suffer immensely and push others around him to do the same. He is comfortable with an insane amount of risk--nobody would have touched what Tesla and SpaceX were doing because everyone thought it would fail. And he has a great ability to only attack the problems which will be most impactful. He's still a loose cannon.
I am willing to eat crow on the boring company. Last I heard they were trying to build a tunnel in Miama (2020ish) which is dumbest thing I have ever heard of (geologically speaking). A mentor once told me only a fool bets against Elon.
I really can't speak to Elons process. I can't even speak to comprehending the guy.
Look, I was an investor in Tesla some years back. I sold out. Because I made great $ and things just didn't make sense to me moving forward, I couldn't wrap my head around the things being said, it seemed crazy talk. I would have at least 25X'd if I hadn't exited as/when I did.
I have repeatedly bet against the guy, to my own detriment.
I have come to accept things for what they are, regardless of my inability to make sense of them at the time. I mean hell, the results speak for themselves.
And i really mean that, repeatedly things made no sense what so ever at the time, and later like magic, or a person with a horse-shoe up the rear, it all came together and nails it. It's flippin bizarre.
So this DOGE thing, I understand half of it. Other half, again, seems bizarre as all heck to me and I can't wrap my head around it.
But I've learned, I'm wiser. Just because I can't understand it, doesn't make it wrong or dumb. It just means I don't understand.
I find it comical as average Jane & John Does criticize Trump & Elon as being such "idiots", inferring they know so much better/more then these "idiot" billionaires.
Well, ok, then where's your Billion? (not saying you specific, I am talking in general)
I mean, if 2 "idiots" can do it, where's yours? If 2 so called "idiots" who are also so called "con's" and what not.... Ok, where is you're billions at?
Hell, I can't stand Biden Jr. but I give credit where credits due; he's a WAY better coke-head criminal than I ever could be! Lol. (come on let's laugh a bit aye)
I ve personally owned 5 Tesla's and made pretty good hits on their stock as well although I sold out to quick like you.. Their dealer model is genius.. cars for the most part are computers on wheels .. fit and finish is not up to standard compared to MBZ or Audi etc.. And their supercharger system is lightyears ahead of any other charging system.. They will make bank once they start to allow the other EV's to use the system and charge accordingly.
My biggest let down was not getting a Ford - Tesla JV.
Makes no sense why Tesla why try doing trucks, nor Ford doing EV's. But together, holly-cow, Peanut Butter & Jelly!
Could have been the F-series Tesla edition's, Mustang Tesla edition's.
That would have been AWESOME.
Post: Trump Policies Will Put Downward Pressure on Real Estate Rents/Prices

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Quote from @Peter W.:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Peter W.:
Well, this has been a thread. My view is still the president has minimal impact on most of the economy. So my opinion is that what the president is doing has minimal impact on housing. Folks remember, the modus operandi of both political parties is to fill your mind with stress in order to motivate you to do something. Whether or not this stress is warranted is irrelevant to their need to fill your mind with it--in general your emotional energy is better spent elsewhere.
I expect inflation to continue to be elevated--driven in largely by the debt, which will continue to keep rates high and new supply relatively low. And it will continue to provide increases to operational expenses which may or may not be able to pass along to the tenant depending on your market.
Elon is a bit of a loose cannon, sometimes with good ideas, sometimes with bad ideas (remember the boring company or how he kept insisting tesla cars should not come with steering wheels). Some of his cuts will end up being very good and some disasterous. Hopefully the administration will quickly pivot on the bad cuts. I suspect the cuts have minimal but slightly good impact on the debt and the economy.
Not to be a "Debbie Downer" but the Boring Co. is a giant success thus far.... It's kind of doing below ground what Space-X has been doing above, completely redefining and innovating things. It's just a few time steps behind.
They just landed a big contract with Dubai to construct a hyper loop.
There is the Vegas loop, more innovations and completed testing of said innovations than can shake a stick at.
SOooo probably a bad example, unless trying to show what a horse-shoe Elon has up his rear.
Seriously, this man's win's are ridiculous. PayPal, Tesla, Space-X, Star link.... Can call him a lot of things but "loose cannon" is a bit laughable an accusation. He is not the richest man in the world by accident.
Trump administration fires and then tries to rehire nuclear weapons workers in DOGE reversal - CBS News
He's successful because he has a bias towards action rather than thinking which is at least an order of magnitude more useful. He is willing to work an insane amount of hours, suffer immensely and push others around him to do the same. He is comfortable with an insane amount of risk--nobody would have touched what Tesla and SpaceX were doing because everyone thought it would fail. And he has a great ability to only attack the problems which will be most impactful. He's still a loose cannon.
I am willing to eat crow on the boring company. Last I heard they were trying to build a tunnel in Miama (2020ish) which is dumbest thing I have ever heard of (geologically speaking). A mentor once told me only a fool bets against Elon.
I really can't speak to Elons process. I can't even speak to comprehending the guy.
Look, I was an investor in Tesla some years back. I sold out. Because I made great $ and things just didn't make sense to me moving forward, I couldn't wrap my head around the things being said, it seemed crazy talk. I would have at least 25X'd if I hadn't exited as/when I did.
I have repeatedly bet against the guy, to my own detriment.
I have come to accept things for what they are, regardless of my inability to make sense of them at the time. I mean hell, the results speak for themselves.
And i really mean that, repeatedly things made no sense what so ever at the time, and later like magic, or a person with a horse-shoe up the rear, it all came together and nails it. It's flippin bizarre.
So this DOGE thing, I understand half of it. Other half, again, seems bizarre as all heck to me and I can't wrap my head around it.
But I've learned, I'm wiser. Just because I can't understand it, doesn't make it wrong or dumb. It just means I don't understand.
I find it comical as average Jane & John Does criticize Trump & Elon as being such "idiots", inferring they know so much better/more then these "idiot" billionaires.
Well, ok, then where's your Billion? (not saying you specific, I am talking in general)
I mean, if 2 "idiots" can do it, where's yours? If 2 so called "idiots" who are also so called "con's" and what not.... Ok, where is you're billions at?
Hell, I can't stand Biden Jr. but I give credit where credits due; he's a WAY better coke-head criminal than I ever could be! Lol. (come on let's laugh a bit aye)
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Quote from @Jason Hartman:
Quote from @Nicholas L.:
the short answer (or at least my own personal answer) to explain the decline in fertility is... it's complicated, and I probably don't know all of the factors behind. i think both parties have contributed.
and the apolitical, practical point i was trying to make was that, regardless of why, it will probably lower demand for real estate in the US, but not for another 10-15 years.
as Jason Hartman points out (again, I don't agree with him on everything, but when he's right, he's right) is that the statistic to watch for real estate is not raw population growth but household formation.
thoughts?
Yes, household formation stats are more important, especially when we have two generations that are running six years behind their parent's timeline. What don't you agree with me on EVERYTHING? Just kidding - lol
Help me understand because I am confused.
The below is the last 40 years.... Is there supposed to be some "problem" we are looking for in this? Because it looks insanely uniform in up and to the right as any chart I've ever seen.
So I am confused. Was it said that we would see the issue first show here? Or was it said there is? I am not following.

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Elon is getting $8M per day in tax dollars, while cutting government programs that cost much less than that per year. And he was not elected. The programs he's cutting employ a lot of good people and provide a lot of good services to the country. Has anyone seen the letters that federal employees are getting? These were not written by government employees and are insulting to good people who provide civil services. They say "stop being lazy and find a real job in the private sector". It's absurd and unjust. I know for a fact that Elon is a con man from when I worked in the solar industry, his solar company was a total scam and gave the whole industry a bad name. Trump also has a history of scamming people (Trump University, his charity, all of the contractors he never paid, everyone who got the short end of the stick during his multiple bankruptcies, claiming $70k tax write off per year on his taxes to do his hair, his company was found guilty of fraud, etc.). It's a con job by two of the biggest con artists in history. People are still worried about Hunter's laptop or Hillary's emails when the conspiracy is right in front of us. Like I said earlier, these two will be the world's first Trillionaires while the rest of us suffer.
Ok, this Trump Derangement Syndrome is way outta control now. How about some FACTS and TRUTH OF CONTEXT for this:




Yeah, what an Evil Guy Elon and Space-X is charging the US $8m per day for what was $16m+ per day.......
"HOW DARE YOU SAVE US MONEY ELON!!!!!!!!"
Get out of you propaganda bubble Steve and read some facts. Stop being a tool used by those with nefarious reasons. Your better than this Steve. Your smarter and better than this.
Post: Cash flow is a myth? Property does not cash flow till its paid off?

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So you feel like you get plenty of money from your not paid off rentals that allow you to quit your full time job?
BIG DIFFERENCE between a a few cash flowing rentals vs retiring off of rental income. For example - I have a duplex that rents for $1350 - the mortgage when I started was $636. So roughly 700/month cashflow. Say 50% of that goes towards repairs/maintenance/vacancy etc. That leaves me with $350/mo.
$350/mo. Going to need about 30 of those to live how I want to.
So I would say the cash flow is little - more leverage generally means less cashflow as well. But then you put more money down (for less leverage) and there goes the opportunity cost of a lot of over investments as well as your liquidity.
I use real estate to diversify my investments more than anything now. A little cashflow, some tax deductions to kick down the road, long term appreciation and loan paydown. It's slow money. I think long term it can make sense especially if you can 1031 exchange into something down the road.
I claim if you properly allocate for sustained expenses this is negative cash flow. I also claim that the price and rent indicate it will not appreciate or have rent growth significantly better than inflation.
I could not live on 100 of these (I admit to spending a lot of money). This is not worth the effort and risk of owning a duplex. In my market every PM would charge more than your projected $350/month (which I already indicated is not reality) to manage two average size units in a duplex.
This does not mean cash flow does not exist. It means you may need to be a better hunter or understand ways to add value.
Good luck
I claim you eat crayons. Doesn't mean that markers don't exist. You may need to look under the couch for those.
It's a good deal that works bud. Bought for 104k cash, rehabbed and did a cash-out refi. Left almost nothing in the deal and got a great equity capture at the buy. On top of that (even with the insurance rate increases here) it STILL almost hits the 1% rule in terms of cashflow. While the absolute value may not be high - I have a rehabbed duplex (can you say practically $0 repairs/maintenance/CapEx for the next 10-15 years since I rehabbed when I bought it?) that sits right on the parade routes, a block from the college campus, and block from a bunch of restaurants and bars. Maybe a month of vacancy total in the past 3 years.
I'll take that deal all day. Maybe slow down on the crayons bud, you're looking a little green.
Good luck.
Your definition of a good deal is very different than mine. How long have you had rentals? Have you ever filled out an maintenance/cap ex spreadsheet with expected lifespan and expected replacement costs to try to accurately estimate sustained maintenance/cap ex.
I already know you did not accurately project increased insurance costs. We owned a property once that had crazy insurance increase (it got hit by hurricanes in 2 consecutive years). Fortunately it had a rent point in a different stratosphere than your depicted rent income and could absorb crazy high insurance increases.
@James Hamling is correct about those cap expenses coming. He is not correct about the need to sell before they come IF you have accurately allocated for the expenses and the underwriting depicts a profit worth the effort and risk.
If you purchased or refinanced at near rates near current rate, at that rent point, 1% is negative cash flow when properly allocating for the sustained expenses. Or you can try James' approach to sell before the significant cap ex items but I suspect you will be selling at a price that reflects the impending coming costs.
It is my belief that you have never calculated out your sustained maintenance/cap ex costs and truly believe this has positive cash flow.
I am trying to provide some insight as to your view and to your situation. You seem to not want to take it as intended (to educate) and I am not sure it that is name calling or whatever it is.
I do wish you would take the time this week to do the effort to properly estimate your maintenance/cap ex for a sustained hold. I believe it will be enlightening and will provide some clarity to my post.
By the way I am retired on RE investing (actually i have made enough money in 3 different sources for most people to retire on any one of them). Cash flow is possible, but it also is not necessary to retire off of RE.
Good luck and I wish you the best
I fill out a spreadsheet w/ the bigger ticket items - roof, siding, AC (this one has a mini split), hot water heater, flooring. Smaller items like fixtures, countertops, cabinets I don't worry about as much. This is a small property so the smaller items don't amount to too much.
For this particular duplex - upstairs flooring will come up - looking around $1500 for LVP installed. Roof would be around $5000. Brand new mini split AC installed around $1000. Siding is the big ticket item here. Hot water heaters are tankless and new. Fixtures are new. Countertops are ok - would do a butcher block here - looking around $500 installed (can be sanded, refinished, sealed, epoxied over etc). Plumbing is all brand new. In $2024 I spent $56 on repairs/maintenance between both units. I have this in a spreadsheet and generally divide by how long I think that particular item will last to come up with a monthly cost.
Insurance costs I think were predicted reasonably. No one (ask the people who had to move out of their home due to insurance costs) is predicting insurance costs doubling, tripling in 2-3 years. This duplex is still cashflowing after absorbing the increased insurance costs. In fact it still almost hits the 1% rule. Do you typically take your insurance estimate, then multiply it by 3, and use that as an expense? I doubt anyone does because that wouldn't make sense.
I don't see how rent point has to do with absorbing high insurance costs. If your rent is $3000 and your expenses are $2900, you still can't absorb a high insurance increase. It really has to do with the spread between rent (income) and expenses. Insurance on a 1mm property will also go up a lot more than a 100k property.
I'd actually like to hear your methodology on buying. I understand you have a lot more experience than me (and experience is often the best teacher) but I still think I have done some things right with this property and I think it works out long term. This was my first property, I've owned it for about 3.5 years, and "started" in RE about 4 years ago (all stock market investing prior). I can take a step back for a minute though. A lot of the social media "guru" stuff has gotten me to be an extremely quick skeptic here lately. So I can admit that and that I am very far from being an expert.
How do you manage to get a roof done for 5k on a duplex? Do u do it yourself?
Here in MN the "average" cost for doing an 'average" asphalt pitched roof is about $22k.
If I go to the supply house, where I am allowed to purchase given my GC license, and I order all the materials. And if I call up the BIG roofing subcontractor that 9/10 in the market use and I schedule them out to do the install.
Now like magic that $22k roofing job turned into $12k-$14k.
Real #'s.
So the answer is by doing some work in being your own GC & Project Manager.
It's not for everyone because you gotta be capable of correctly ordering materials and running a jobsite, but it's far from rocket science.
And note in this I do NOT skimp on material quality. It's not only the exact same materials BUT I do some upgraded things vs what the standard GC does.
I believe that if you only build to code, congratulations you just got a D-, because that's what code is, the bare minimum acceptable.
I build to do what BEST and smartest. So I do better improved synthetic felt. I go double in ice & water, run all valleys with I&W, check my attic ventilation and add to assure correct airflow and most often shift to ridge vent.
I am cutting out 2or3 middle-men; a sales rep, a GC, maybe a sub-GC because yes there can be layers of GC's depending on who your hiring. I have seen "roofing contractors" who sub work to a guy who subs work to a guy who subs work to the actual install crew. That's a lot of layers of markup on labor.
I rather just go straight to the main labor sub who has dedicated installers.
Thank you sir!
I was talking to one roofer and he wants 16K for a metal roof to put over shingles. (state FL)
Probably not the worst pricing.
How do you find contractors? Hard to find good ones that are cheap
There is 3 options, Good, Fast, Cheap; a person can choose any 2
- If it's Fast & Cheap it won't be Good
- If it's Good & Cheap it won't be Fast
- If it's Good & Fast it won't be Cheap