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All Forum Posts by: Mike Carino

Mike Carino has started 7 posts and replied 122 times.

Post: Pepsi making a big move in Stone Mountain!

Mike CarinoPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
  • Posts 127
  • Votes 47
Quote from @Quinton Phillips:

During our meeting, we saw an article that PepsiCo Beverages have officially break ground on $260 million Dekalb County manufacturing facility. According to WhatNow Atlanta is that this facility will become one of the largest in the company's portfolio. This is huge for Atlanta REI. I personally have my investor clients blowing me up telling me to let them know when we get a deal in this area. When big companies like this make a move to a certain area. How soon do you try to buy properties and how far out would you buy from this Pepsi facility?


Big companies putting money in our area is always great! Stone Mountain seems still fairly priced allowing employees to purchase in this market but im not expert in this side of town. If you wanted to answer this fully, id ask investors what happened to rent prices when the Amazon Fulfillment Center opened up down the street? Was there a drastic uptick in the rental market? 

Post: Metro Detroit Investor Friendly Banks

Mike CarinoPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

@Mike Carino  Maybe, on the 10 converts to one to free up 10 more.  Not all lenders are the same, both on the singles and the 10's.

No, on the conventional rule first.  Well, that's not completely true.  The first time I did this, it was, but if (actual when) I start new (each time), I don't use either route.  This is because the most important thing I learnt the first time through, is that the conventional route is slow, slower and incredibly slooooow...and not efficient in time or money.

What I learnt was how money works.  What I've developed since then, is:

1 - a core system... 
2 - that doesn't require any traditional funding...ever...  
3 - that also only requires a one time funding...
4 - ...and, the initial cost of that funding is immaterial since the system, if designed correctly (and not deviated from)...
5 - will eliminate the impact of the cost of that one time funding because the system...
6 - doesn't focus on paying off the funding, but rather... 
7 - focuses on "managing" the funds, thus...
8 - allows me to "use the funds" an unlimited number of times, but ...
9 - only pay for it once...  
   In other words,...
10 - I learnt how "Money works".

Thank you Joe,  this is very valuable to my strategy. I will reach out to know more, when I am back in town. Trying to go through my properties one by one conventional is extremely slow I have experienced and its letting deals slip away because it takes too long to source the capital. 

Post: Metro Detroit Investor Friendly Banks

Mike CarinoPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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Originally posted by @Jay Brown:

Where does that REIC in Ann Arbor meet up? Whats the next date. I'd also love to come network as well. 

Also Lake Michigan Credit Union is a great credit union to work with and they are quite investor friendly.  Depending on your credit score you are generally looking at 

4.5% interest, 25% down payment, 15 year term.

5% interest, 25% down payment, 30 year term.

These would be conventional loans terms that you would put the property in your name NOT your LLC. Correct @jay brown?

Post: Metro Detroit Investor Friendly Banks

Mike CarinoPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

@Kyle Manduch  Also, you don't grow relationships with banks...your money does.  Let me clarify what I said above about..."the other I use on my refis (when I do them)."...

I don't do refis anymore for a number of reasons:

1 - 10 loan limit jumps up on your real fast.  If that is your main strategy, you are looking at Plan B really fast.

2 - The BRRRR strategy isn't a good strategy to start out with...but is a very good one at the end.

3 - Based on #'s 1 and 2 above, I have credit partners that I use when I refi at the end.

@Kyle Manduch I  think @Joe Villeneuve is suggesting to go the conventional route first, IF the credit, job, w-2 etc is there and you want the best rates and the most cash-out back in your pocket... Once you eat through those loans, the bank/ private brokers will look at you more as a business generating (instead of a credit guy) and will make some type of "portfolio" package to get you to where you need to go. Terms and interest rates wont be as good as conventional but it will be. Knowing your situation, your partnered in an LLC. Its professional paper work but its pretty simple to mortgage a property and in your name and give the ownership to the llc on legal documents. Please correct me if I am wrong here.. I have not down this...

@Joe Villeneuve Ive always wanted to ask you. Is it possible for to package all 10 loan properties (once you have it) in a consolidated portfolio loan. Which can free you and your credit partner to buy another 10 conventionally? 

Post: Metro Detroit Investor Friendly Banks

Mike CarinoPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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@Joe Villeneuve and @George P. and @Christian Hutchinson would be able to chime in on this one much better as they would have much much more experience with banks.

Though I see the reasoning for portfolio loan against the LLC, you would still need to post up a personal guarantee on the loan ( i believe) so not really sure what the benefit is... You might as well go conventional as much as you can, if you can..

I've got as far as finding portfolio route with  60% ARV as opposed to the 80% ARV the traditional route.  

Post: Monthly Northern Atlanta Real Estate Meet Up/Mastermind.

Mike CarinoPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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Originally posted by @Jered Sturm:

Hey BP Community!

After being a two-time guest on the BP Podcast I have had quite a few people reach out to meet up, talk real estate, learn, share and help each other grow our businesses.

This got me thinking, What better to do all this for the betterment of everyone than to bring all these driven experienced and new real estate investors all together so all of us can meet, share, learn and grow together.

We have all been to the sales pitch heavy environments at the REIAs around. I am looking to build a quality alternative where no one is selling you anything. We would meet up exchange value, share stories and make friends all while holding each other accountable to our individual goals.

I am happy to coordinate this entire meet up. I have already started to put together a large list of interested people to join the group as well as inherit two other previously operating RE Meetup groups so we should have a solid crowd even on the first event.

Meet up will be held the last Tuesday of every month with the first one being January 31st

The Location is TBD but we will be shooting for the northern edge of I-285 to allow the maximum number of people access to the meetup. We have some great options I just have to determine which will fit us best. 

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN JOINING PLEASE POST ON THIS FORUM AND SUBSCRIBE TO IT SO WE CAN LET YOU KNOW AS SOON AS WE HAVE OUR VENUE SET IN STONE AND ANY OTHER UPDATES. 

I look forward to meeting you all!

Even if you have expressed interest prior please respond to this forum because this will be the official thread.  @Eli Rose  @Parker Stiles  @Bruce Coleman  @Julie Kern  @Matt Crisp  @Curt Smith @Kathryn Sukkestad @Margaret B @Richard Balsam @Shane Connor @Corey Owen @Damir Kamber @Jesse L.  @Anyone I forgot :)

Keyword Alerts: Kennesaw, Marrietta, Smyrna, Atlanta, Northwest Atlanta, North Atlanta, ATL, Cobb county Georgia, Paulding County Georgia, Fulton County, Dekalb County, Forsyth County, Cherokee County. Clayton County, Meet up, Networking, Mastermind, ITP, OTP, Buy and Hold, Flipping, Wholesale, Single family, Multifamily, apartments.

I have been waiting for this here in the ATL!  We had this up in Michigan and was awesome! Jered PM me if your in need of space... I have a location that will be perfect on Ashford-Dunwoody or over off Barret parkway/ 575 area

Post: Local Atlanta Realtor Looking to Invest

Mike CarinoPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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@Rochell Montaie

Welcome to BP. I also live in the Atlanta area. I lived in Metro Detroit, and still hold quite a few of investment properties in my portfolio. Reach out sometime!

Post: Starting Out Advice Needed

Mike CarinoPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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@Gabrielle Deyarmond

Hi and Welcome to BiggerPockets. I think you have a great plan and you should keep a close focus at your goals. Bills, work, and expenses are just a part of life so keep your eye on the finish line to get you through the hurdles.  I admire you are willing to do just about anything just to get involved and educate yourself. 

I would say this is the time to invest into yourself. I believe people will invest in you based on your investment you give yourself . So take the time investing in yourself, learn what drives you, learn what makes you tick.. Learn what your good at and what your bad at. Think about where you want to be in 10 year... This all will make a clearer route you want to take, when the day comes.. I went all in without a plan, and if I knew who I was deep down, I know for a fact my conscious would have taken me down a much straighter path for me, my partner, and our families.

As you get educated Real estate you will find so many different ways attack Real Estate . But it will all boil down to who you are as an individual and how you decide what you want to do.

I have friends that started very similar in your shoes a couple years ago bought a duplex fixer in Royal Oak. Lived in one, rented the other. Now live in a bigger home for their family, and "flipped" the multi for a Quad.. But it was always in there plan to do it.

Post: Wholesale Partnership - Metropolitan Detroit

Mike CarinoPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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@Tresa Calhoun @Kyle Manduch

Hey Tresa, please reach out to me. I am actively wholesaling in Detroit mostly in Wayne and Oakland  counties. I can always use some boots on the ground out in your area. 

Now I would not say I am a "Pro" but have went through a wholesale  deals that I did not end up keeping myself.

Originally posted by @Curt Smith:

I did have a good office job W2 income to also feed our buying, but we started out 5.5 yrs ago with 1 rental, and my retired wifes 401k rolled into a SD-IRA and we started buying rentals into her SD-IRA, put 50% LTV debt on them as soon as they seasoned, 8% debt. But we where doing 15-19% cap rate rentals in good school districts in Atlanta metro area, great schools 6 or better. So the arbitrage made sense even at 8%. Today you are arbitraging 4.75% vs still 18% to 24% cap rate houses. Yes yes my cap rates are much higher than in most other areas... We are lucky.

Then I started buying in each of our names with bank debt, then 5.5%, but latest rentals bought with debt is down to 4.75%.  Which is insane!!!   30 money for rentals at 4.75% its crazy to not take all of that you can get.   We REFIed our better rental areas at 3 yrs hold time pulling out 30-40k each, buying more rentals.

All rent income, plus W2 income over expenses went into buying more rentals.  

5.5 yrs ago we started with $210k and one rental, good w2 income and ok pension for my wife.  Today total cash flow is just under $20k/mo, subtract off mortgages and its 15k ish. 

I believe this model is called growing geometriclly.   IE we bought more and MORE and YET MORE houses each successful year via ever growing self funding and a constant amount of excess W-2 funds.

July 15th 2016 I quit my day job!  About 5.5 yrs after we started.  But in 5.5 years we bought, rehabbed, rented adn had a few turn overs (we have VERY low turn over), 34 rentals and a mobile home park.  34/5.5 = 6.2 new rentals PER YEAR.  I can tell you honestly, I never worked so hard in my life.  Every weekend,  thats 52 a year, both sat and sunday I was at some house somewhere.  2-3 week nights I drove from work to some house some where.

Its doable.  But as my business partner and wife forces me to admit,,, We where lucky too.  We started this in 2010 in Atlanta that both crashed big, but also came back gang busters fast.  Lots of jobs have come to the N  Half of GA popping up small towns close to freeways.  

We where just solving problems by designing buying rules, jumping geographies to suite and we didn;t realize at first...  We where avoiding compittion by doing what other investors won';t do.  Drive for a rental.  We specialized in small towns on freeways, 30 minutes to a jobs center.  So our 34 rentals are spread in a big arc across the N half of GA arcing down to the South to Locust Grove.

****  Deal flow is your limiting factor today ****

We ended up being specialists in finding undiscovered areas, high days on market for buying, yet nearly zero rentals available due to growing low wage jobs (auto plants and amazon centers).   Both employers in the South pay $10-$12/hr, not enough to buy a house, but good enough to be permanent renters. 

Google: how to find jobs -your area-. Then start comparing current listed jobs of equal sized small towns. You'll figure out what area is growing rapidly from job creation. Buy there!!! List for rent way above what is in craigslist.org or rentometer.com. Rent climbs faster than landlords can figure it out in hot jobs markets. This is where we are buying today. No rentals, long LONG days on market for sub $80k rental prospects. I'm still finding decent houses for $50k to $70k and free cash flow is still buying a few houses a year. But I'm back to buying out of a solo-401k because I just quit and I rolled my work 401k into a solo-401k (Much smarter vehicle than a SD-IRA if you have a for profit business to hang one off). Since I quit my day job I'm back to buying in a tax defered entity, my solo-401k and will again refi via non-recourse lending. In no time at all I know that 401k will be throwing off $5k / mo by itself.

Re risk? Our rentals with debt are running lower than 50% of the rent goes to debt service. True our income goes to zero if some crash would also crash rents, but we can drop a $1000 rent to $500 and still cover the mortgage,,,, thanks entirely to 4.75% mortgage money. We have a lot of 100% cash houses too, so our over all LTV is around 30%. Debt??? We both love 4.75% debt up the wazoo. :)

Very inspiring Curt, and very insightful. I do applaud you and your success you have had down here in GA. You are one to follow and seek out for many . Keep Killing it!