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All Forum Posts by: Mike Levene

Mike Levene has started 4 posts and replied 20 times.

Post: Best Baselane Tutorials?

Mike LevenePosted
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Hi Amelia, I'm excited to hear that you are starting to use Baselane. I've been using it for a while now and it has so many great features, many of which you are touching on with your questions. 

My suggestion is the following:

If all of your properties are in separate LLCs, under the Baselane Banking tab on the left, create an Account for each Entity you have. This will help separate your finances, but when you do reporting on the Analytics & Reporting tab on the left, you can still see all of your properties together in one place. When you create any type of transaction (income or expense) you can choose what category it is, and what property it is for. This is what organizes your transactions and allows you to clearly see what your income and expenses are for each property, or as a whole portfolio.

For each Entity, you would then create an Account. Once you have an entity, click the name and inside that account, you can do all of your sub accounts for that specific property. For example, I like to set up the following accounts for a property:

1. Main Account - Checking account to set up transfers or draw money from for mortgage, insurance, taxes, etc. and I get a Baselane debit card (physical and virtual)

2. Rent Collection - Savings account, as soon as I collect rent, I like to put it in a savings account to start earning interest. I then set up automatic transfers within Baselane to disperse the money to the correct accounts. Ex: On day 25, I have an automatic transfer to my main account for the exact amount for my mortgage payment, but I earned interest on the rent for the first 25 days of the month.

3. Utilities - Checking account I use to draw from for utility payments. I have automatic transfers from my rent collection account to this account for my estimated monthly utility costs. Essentially, I put myself on a budget plan where I take the annual cost of utilities, divide by 12, and transfer that amount +10% every month into the utilities account. Every so often I will rebalance the account if it grows too much.

4. Reserves: Savings account that I place reserves for maintenance, Capex, vacancy, etc. Everyone has their own preference on how much reserves to keep. Once I hit my reserves goal, I transfer the additional money to a separate "War Chest". If I draw from the reserves, I start to pay back into immediately to bring it up to my golden number.

5. Security Deposits / Escrow: If you would like to use Baselane for an escrow account, you can simply open another sub account that is separate from your day-to-day activities. In some states however, you need to open the escrow account in the tenants name and unfortunately that is not possible at the moment. Here is Baselane's article related to state requirements for security deposits: Baselane Security Deposits

Overall, there is so much you can do with the Baselane banking features. Although there are best practices, everyone prefers to set it up with their own unique flavor. If you want to be more hands on with it, I recommend something similar to the above. If you want to simplify it because you have too many properties to maintain, simply create a main checking account and a security deposit account for each property or Entity. If you are migrating from another platform, to help bridge the time in-between, you can also set up automatic transfers directly to and from Baselane to make sure everything is in the right place during the temporary transition.

This is only the tip of the iceberg of what Baselane can do. If you have any questions or want me to do a walkthrough with you, send me a DM and we can set something up.

I love what Baselane is doing with their platform and even happier with surveys like this. As a smaller investor, it's great to do all the data analysis with widely tracked metrics, but its also refreshing to hear the emotional and experiential data points from fellow investors as well. Some call the stock market a representation of human sentiment in real time, and I imagine the real estate market is not too different. What better way to gain insights than go straight to the source on sentiment instead of trying to work backwards with data and reports.

Post: House Hacking In Expensive Markets

Mike LevenePosted
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Quote from @Daniel McDonald:
Quote from @Mike Levene:
Quote from @Daniel McDonald:

@Mike Levene I am a 2x house hacker in Beverly, MA, just north of Boston, and yes, the cost is brutal, but the appreciation is worth it. Cash flow is a myth. You're investing in RE for long-term wealth, not a few hundred a month that can be wiped out with one CapEx item. Boston in particular is a strong market with great appreciation, a great tenant pool, and rents being as insane as they are it's nearly impossible not to pay less when you house hack vs. rent. It's a challenging market but I say if you can pay less then you currently are renting then it's a win. That alone can free up so many avenues for you.


 Thanks for the local input, this aligns with what we are seeing. I agree, its easy to say oh I want cash flow, but ultimately, most of the gains are made with appreciation and principal paydown over long periods of time. 

We certainly have found some deals that would reduce our living expenses compared to renting. In the short term this is great, but after moving out of the property, these units would be ~ -$500/month in cash flow. I'm all for an appreciation play, but this seems like the reality of the current rates and the market in this area.

Just curious, how did you find your househacks?


 Yes, I definitely see a lot of situations that break even or go negative. I wouldn't go negative unless i was so confident I could take on that amount like maybe 50-100$ a month. Because if you think about it if it appreciates 400k over 15 years that's a long way off of eating 9k in cash flow. And that's a very simple example but you get the point. 

I didn't do anything crazy. I worked with a solid agent who understood house hacking in general. He did it himself in Quincy. Both mine were off the MLS. The biggest key was understanding that It was more important to get on base then it is to hit a home run. Especially for the first one.


 Couldn't agree more, our focus is to get our first hit to get the experience and learn from doing and then start saving up for the next one. Thanks for the insights.

Post: House Hacking In Expensive Markets

Mike LevenePosted
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Quote from @Daniel McDonald:

@Mike Levene I am a 2x house hacker in Beverly, MA, just north of Boston, and yes, the cost is brutal, but the appreciation is worth it. Cash flow is a myth. You're investing in RE for long-term wealth, not a few hundred a month that can be wiped out with one CapEx item. Boston in particular is a strong market with great appreciation, a great tenant pool, and rents being as insane as they are it's nearly impossible not to pay less when you house hack vs. rent. It's a challenging market but I say if you can pay less then you currently are renting then it's a win. That alone can free up so many avenues for you.


 Thanks for the local input, this aligns with what we are seeing. I agree, its easy to say oh I want cash flow, but ultimately, most of the gains are made with appreciation and principal paydown over long periods of time. 

We certainly have found some deals that would reduce our living expenses compared to renting. In the short term this is great, but after moving out of the property, these units would be ~ -$500/month in cash flow. I'm all for an appreciation play, but this seems like the reality of the current rates and the market in this area.

Just curious, how did you find your househacks?

Post: House Hacking In Expensive Markets

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Thanks @Scott Trench this makes a lot of sense. We have talked about things such as rent by the room and acknowledge that the operating model will likely be very different while living in the property vs. when we move out.

I think the point you made about assumable loans is very helpful to get into a property you might not otherwise be able to afford. Of course "hoping" rates will come down is not a sound strategy so finding a way to assume a loan that already took advantage of low rates is a great option.

If you were starting over and targeted a large SFH, would you try to maintain the property in a way that would still attract regular homebuyers (not investors) if you needed to sell? I suspect maximizing the investment might make it slightly less desirable as a owner or at least the renovations might have lower ROI if sold to a homeowner. For example, an ADU is nice for a rental, but not every home buyer wants to pay a premium for an ADU on their property.

Post: who else uses Baselane?

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I jumped around between a few different platforms and ultimately ended up with Baselane. They make it so easy to separate the financials for each property and have great analytics around cash flow, profit, etc. that you can customize to your needs. If you're still using excel spreadsheets, Baselane is a huge upgrade and for little to no cost.

Post: House Hacking In Expensive Markets

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Hi all, I recently started an informal real estate group with some old college friends. They are all looking at strategies to use for their first deal and many of us are leaning towards a house hack to reduce the amount of capital we need upfront. The problem many of us run into is being in New England, many of the markets are high cost, high appreciation markets that we either can't get pre qualified for, or even after moving out will struggle to cash flow.

Another big constraint is that many of us have W-2 jobs in engineering that require some days in the office, and these types of higher paying jobs are primarily in major cities (most of us are in the Boston area).

Lastly, a lot of us have significant others that may be less interested in living somewhere "random" because it makes sense as an investment. If they were married, I'd think it would be more of a conversation about their future, but I can understand that if you are only with someone for 1-2 years they might not be willing to pack everything up and follow you on your real estate journey right away.

Any thoughts or ideas to help us sort through the weeds on how to go about finding a house hack with these constraints? Are there any markets outside Boston that any of you have had success with a house hack or tips to succeed in this type of market? I'm sure something similar applies to those who live in high cost cities like NYC, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, etc.

Quote from @Justin Webb:
Hello Mike, 

Reviewing your investment strategy and questions, it’s evident that you have laid a thoughtful foundation for your first property investment. There are several critical factors and potential risks you should consider to ensure a more comprehensive approach.

Regarding your math, it seems well-considered, incorporating key elements like repair costs, After Repair Value (ARV), and projected rental income. Nonetheless, the contingency budget is essential, as real estate projects often encounter unexpected costs. Verifying your repair estimates with a local contractor is advisable to avoid underestimation. Also, consider the potential for project delays, which could increase your holding costs.

When it comes to getting the property under contract, engaging an investor-friendly real estate agent is a wise move with the first couple of deals. Such an agent can offer valuable insights into the local market, assist in negotiations, and ensure that the contract terms align with your investment goals. While direct seller contact is an option, having seasoned representation can be particularly beneficial starting out.

In terms of overarching analysis, your strategy carries certain risks. Renovation, especially the basement conversion, might reveal unforeseen complications, leading to additional expenses and delays. Market volatility could impact both the property's valuation and rental demand, which are crucial to your investment's success. Keep an eye on the interest rates.

The benefits of your approach are clear. The basement conversion and overall renovation can significantly increase the property’s value and functionality. Additionally, having multiple exit strategies, such as flipping or renting, provides flexibility in response to market conditions or personal investment goals.

It's crucial to consider other factors as well. Conduct a thorough local market analysis to understand trends in property value and rental demand. Don't forget the permits to ensure all renovations comply with local building codes and regulations.

Lastly, do not overlook the closing costs and lending fees associated with purchasing and refinancing the property. These expenses can be substantial and should be factored into your overall financial calculations to avoid any surprises in your budgeting.

Best wishes!



Hi Justin, thanks for the well thought out response. I feel I am falling into the trap of the first time investor of falling in love with a deal and then trying to make it work. If my repair estimate is exceeded by $10,000 I should still be able to profit ~$20k on the flip but the BRRRR would likely not make sense anymore as I wouldn't be able to pull enough cash out of the ReFi (~$5k after holding costs, closing costs, etc.) I need to look at the numbers again and make sure this is a risk I am willing to take on but I imagine there are better flip opportunities that yield similar returns and may carry less risk as I am aware finishing a basement can yield all kinds of unforeseen issues.

I have experience as an HVAC technician so I am relatively familiar with the constraints of renovating near or around HVAC systems, how much space is needed if walled off, ventilation requirements, etc. but I am sure there would be other issues like needing a larger window for egress and needing to do a window well, needing a drop ceiling to cover pipes in an already short basement, etc.

Quote from @Jonathan Klemm:

Hey @Mike Levene - Which part of Illinois is the property in?   Chicago or somewhere else in the state?

Generally, looks like you have most of the basics covered.  How long is it taking for similar houses to sell in that area?  Will the renovation need permits?

$30k honestly feels a little light if you are removing walls and whatnot....maybe add a $10k contingency.


Hi Jonathan, thanks for the feedback on the repair estimate. I'm excited about getting into my first deal but I think this one might need to just be a flip if I pursue it because I want to make sure I get a decent amount of cash out of the deal and it seems like a BRRRR wouldn't yield much after the ReFi.
This property is in Champaign, IL, so a few hours away from Chicago. In this specific neighborhood, the houses seem to sell in 30-60 days from what I can tell. I'm not sure if I am looking at it the right way, but by looking at recent sales on the MLS, I can see when it was listed, pending sale, and sold. The pending sale is typically within 2-3 weeks so I understand that as offers are made in the first 2-3 weeks, and the remaining time is what it takes to finalize the sale for both parties.
As for permits, I would likely need a permit for removing the non-load bearing wall, walling off the bathroom in the basement, and possibly for the additional bedroom although this already has walls and a door, just not finished so not sure how the city would decide on that one. There may be some small electrical adjustments in the kitchen so I would like need a permit for moving some outlets around once the wall comes out. 

Hi all, I'm looking to get into my first investment property and have ran the numbers on what I think is a great opportunity. I have 2 questions, see the details on the deal below:

1. Does my math check out? Am I missing anything (besides the fact that all numbers are estimates and there is always risk involved)?

2. What is the best way to get the property under contract? Do I reach out to the seller first or do I find an investor friendly agent that can represent me as the buyer first?

The Deal:

610 sq ft. 2BR, 2BA unit in Illinois with an unfinished basement that I will convert into a 3rd bedroom and add ~30% more livable sq. ft. to the house (610 sq. ft. to ~800 sq. ft.) and one of the bathrooms is already in the basement with necessary plumbing but needs serious cosmetic work. I am aware of typical code requirements such as an egress window and minimum room size, but if there is anything else I should look out for in the new room let me know. 
The whole house is functional, but outdated. The renovation will cover the following:
Kitchen - new floor, cabinets, appliances, paint, and remove a non-load bearing wall to open up the kitchen and living room.
Living room - new floor and paint
2 main bedrooms - new floor and paint
Main bathroom - gut renovation, new floors, vanity, sink, shower
Basement - convert portion of the basement into a 3rd bedroom with new sheetrock, paint, and flooring for finished part of basement and staircase, - wall off 2nd bathroom and gut renovate

Purchase Price: $60,000
Repair Cost: $30,000 (my own initial estimate came in around $25-30k so I am using 30k to be safer)
ARV: $130,000

Down Payment: $13,500 (15%)
Hard Money Loan: $76,500 (85%)

Monthly Expenses (6 Month, Interest Only Term):
Interest: $825 (11%)
Taxes: $220
Insurance: $40
Total Monthly Expenses: $1,085
Total Expenses Over 6 Month Loan Term: $6,510

Cash in the deal by the time of ReFi:

Down Payment: $13,500
Monthly Expenses for 6 Months: $6,510
Purchase closing costs: $2,500
Total Cash in Deal: $22,510

Refinance:

ReFi Loan: $97,500 (75% LTV)
HML Payback: $76,500
Closing Costs: $3,000
"Profit" after ReFi: $18,000
Equity after ReFi: $32,500


Rental Income:
Gross Income: $1,300/month
ReFi Mortage Payment: $642/month
Fixed Costs: $260/month
Variable Costs: $299/month (23%)
Cashflow: $99/month

My 2 exit strategies would be to simply flip the house, or, if the valuation comes in slightly lower than expected, I am confident I can still rent it at this price because it is a very rent heavy area compared to owning and continue with the BRRRR method with slightly better cashflow because of a slightly smaller ReFi loan amount.

I would love any thoughts, feedback, concerns, etc. about this deal. Thank you in advance!