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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 11 posts and replied 613 times.

Post: 12 unit Building Valuation

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Originally posted by @James Syed:

@Joel Owens, @Ben Wilkins, @Account Closed

Welcome to BP. 

So here is an update. 

I finally got a sign contact yesterday evening. 

Purchase price $375,000. 

My due diligence and inspections start next week. Waiting to hear back from property inspector I called today. Keep in mind this building is 52 years old. Only two furnaces along with air conditioners out twelve have been replaced so I would have replaced ten of them at some point that is the biggest expense I am aware of, any thoughts on that?

James

 That's interesting.... so they dropped price from $630,000 to $375,000? That is quite a drop but you never know whats going on with the estate.

Post: The mindset of the Cash Flow investor: LA vs Baltimore

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Apparently the Canadians also struggle with this issue of Cash Flow vs Appreciation. Anyone who isn't from  LA :) or with investments in  LA disagree with the Canadians here? Some of the comments seem to be right on the money

http://www.canadianrealestatemagazine.ca/tv/cashfl...

Post: The mindset of the Cash Flow investor: LA vs Baltimore

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Originally posted by @Ned Carey:

@Account Closed and others I actually do work the Baltimore market full time.  I see a lot of really good

 Sure Ned, I am sure buying those vacant buildings is a felony... I just have to buy yours right? :)

Someone sends me a picture of what seems like a 32 to 36 unit apartment, at the very least I need to know if its zoned for a certain use or located somewhere that could make sense.

Good to know about Baltimore's population; it seems they say its a sprawl issue. Population is just one factor affecting price but if Baltimore's housing price has been growing at a rate of 4.8% for the last 40 or so years...regardless of population trend, what does that tell you about the impact of its population issues? 

If they fixed the bleed, it would be growing a higher rate. Perhaps they have the wrong team planning its future... how else do you explain a net of 293,000 people evaporating from a town in 45 years. Perhaps they've got the LA rams doing city planning for Baltimore? That might explain it :)

But is a -0.7% decline in population abnormal? Its cost them economically -- really sad. If it had grew at a meager 0.7% per year during same period, it would be a town of 1.1 million today.

There are towns with 10,000 people or less but average property values in excess of $1,000,000. Its not just population but supply and demand, inventory levels, land etc... between 1970 and 2015, San Francisco grew by 0.47% per year... do we then say thats what is driving SF prices? That is a no!

Post: The mindset of the Cash Flow investor: LA vs Baltimore

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Originally posted by @David Faulkner:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
@Dan H.:

...Basically I want to determine if you are placing your money where you indicate...

 oh yeah... nice try!

Yep ... that pretty much answers your question for you Dan ... 100% troll, ...

 Seriously, does BP carry dog bite insurance? A few of these keep popping up...

Post: The mindset of the Cash Flow investor: LA vs Baltimore

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Originally posted by @Jamison Wiersema:

Loved this analysis! I just learned more from this post than 20-30 topics combined! Thank you!

 Good to hear Jamison... seriously if you just have a mental map of which markets to go into based on what a specific (or combination of) investment objective is and the characteristics of that market... you have a good start than many of the newbies or non consultants out there :)

Post: Analyzing a 50-unit apartment- "The 1% Rule" ?

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Originally posted by @Kyle R.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Kyle R.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Kyle R.:

 Are you saying you recently bought an 80 unit  apartment in Alexandria MN at that price? This would be a property in a similar condition not requiring rehab? The price per door will often vary per market.

The property required no rehab and was constructed in the 90's. The only issue that came up during inspection was two broken rafters, a couple disengaged shingles, a few holes in the vinyl siding, and cracks in the sidewalks. Total estimate to fix everything was about $5k. Property was 100% occupied at takeover and located near Charlotte, NC.

 Interesting... for all we know, you may have overpaid for your property based on what the market rate is in NC. Some areas in MN price per door is between $70,000 to $75,000. That is within the state of MN. I included a map here just so maybe someone else can help count how many states exist between NC and MN :) Again, different markets have different prices and cap rates. In New York for instance, $400,000 to $500,000 per door or more is normal rate.  

The property is currently performing at a 13.6 cap with rents 25% below market. Don't worry, I'm well aware of how many states exist between the two. I'm just not interested in paying 233% more per door when the rent rolls are the same. When I invest, I focus on cash flow. Paying under $15K per unit with rents averaging $400 a door is hard to beat. The per unit market price for this complex is $22K.

What kind of rent are you getting per door for $75K? By purchasing 80 units at $14.9K with an average rent of $400, I can purchase five units for $75k with a total rent of $2k. If you're paying $75k a door and bringing in more than $2k, my hat is off to you. I understand market prices vary, which is why certain markets are less financially advantageous.  At the end of the day, you're buying a rent roll. This all comes down to math, right? I can't see why spending $2.8M for a productive asset in Alexandria that generates an equal return of a $1.19M productive asset in Charlotte is a better decision.

 If you are in rentals then the core objective always is cash flow. 13.6% cap rate is sort of high and usually is the case for a low C or D area. What is the vacancy rate? Is it an economically depressed area? What is tenant turnover like?  Of course you are paying for cash flow but the certainty of the cash flow is also an issue.

Post: Lines of credit or mortgage?

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Originally posted by @Joshua D.:

@Lesley Resnick So just say i wanted to get a commercial line of credit for 1m? If i had 200k line of credit available from my other properties for collateral could i use that as a 20% down payment? Also would you worry about doing what im doing? my current interest rate is 5% on my investment property lines of credit and 3.99 on HELOC

If the cost of funds is 5% what is the market cap again? And how are you defining cash flow by the way? Lets hope it isn't NOI? Are there properties in Philly or?

Post: Analyzing a 50-unit apartment- "The 1% Rule" ?

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Originally posted by @Kyle R.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Kyle R.:

 Are you saying you recently bought an 80 unit  apartment in Alexandria MN at that price? This would be a property in a similar condition not requiring rehab? The price per door will often vary per market.

The property required no rehab and was constructed in the 90's. The only issue that came up during inspection was two broken rafters, a couple disengaged shingles, a few holes in the vinyl siding, and cracks in the sidewalks. Total estimate to fix everything was about $5k. Property was 100% occupied at takeover and located near Charlotte, NC.

 Interesting... for all we know, you may have overpaid for your property based on what the market rate is in Charlotte NC. Some areas in MN price per door is between $70,000 to $75,000. That is within the state of MN. I included a map here just so someone else can help count how many states exist between NC and MN :) 

Again, different markets have different prices and cap rates. In New York City for instance, $400,000 to $500,000 per door or more is normal rate.  

Post: The mindset of the Cash Flow investor: LA vs Baltimore

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Originally posted by @Sean Yang:

My only concern with buy&hold in an appreciation market like LA is timing. It's like trading stocks because you pretty much have no control where the market is going. Current market price in SF and LA is historically high and I am just afraid the next correction is right around the corner. It would definitely hurt if I had bought a nice property now and only find it cost half of what I paid a few years later. However LA is a great market for short term fix&flips because now the market cycling is out of the equation. 

 The concern is valid. You want to be careful. It appears people are moving out although the attack dogs will likely say this report is also wrong too... 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/troymcmullen/2017/06/...

Post: The mindset of the Cash Flow investor: LA vs Baltimore

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@Dan H.:

...Basically I want to determine if you are placing your money where you indicate...

 oh yeah... nice try!