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All Forum Posts by: Michael Reilman

Michael Reilman has started 3 posts and replied 67 times.

Post: Recommended Local Lenders in Cleveland Area?

Michael ReilmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 37
Originally posted by @Michelle Fenn:

I would try Dollar Bank    Ron McNulty in commercial loans   

Feel free to private message me for his direct line.

PM sent, thank you

Post: Recommended Local Lenders in Cleveland Area?

Michael ReilmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 37
Originally posted by @Erin Dorsey Robinson:

@Michael Reilman I have a guy would be worth talking to. I'm pretty certain he can help. His name is Greg. I will make an email introduction for you if you like.

 PM sent, thank you

Post: Recommended Local Lenders in Cleveland Area?

Michael ReilmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 37

Hi All,

Can anyone refer a local long-term lender for the Cleveland area? The criteria I am looking for is as follows:

1-4 units
Asset value or ARV = $100,000 or less
Loan at 80% LTV, so $80,000 or less (could do 75% LTV)
30 year fixed, IO available (can discuss) 
Rentals, ideally fully occupied at refinance
No seasoning required
Open to portfolio loans

I am covered on the higher end of this ($100,000+) but need help on the smaller end. We can discuss requirements and limitations. 

Thank you! 

Post: Why Bigger is Better in Multifamily (and why sometimes is not)

Michael ReilmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 37
Originally posted by @Justin Elliott:

One of the other reasons bigger is better is the opportunity cost of doing the deal. You may find that it would have taken the same time to close a 24 or 48 unit than it did that 6 unit. You also likely would partner on a larger deal which frees up time and allows you to work on what you are good at (or passionate for). If your goal is to scale bigger is better.

One other note on partnering. I did duplexes and triplexes with no partners and I regret that. I could have learned a lot faster had I partnered. I realize the value of partnering when I got into bigger deals. You need people that will challenge your underwriting or assumptions and help you look at the deal and your business plan from different angles.

All good points!

Post: Why Bigger is Better in Multifamily (and why sometimes is not)

Michael ReilmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 37

Why Bigger is Better in Multifamily (and why it sometimes is not)

Have you ever heard that bigger is better in Multifamily? If you haven’t there are a bunch of “tiers” that point to that direction. Price reductions on property management, Cost segregation, non-recourse loans through Fannie and Freddie…

But today I wanted to talk more about the smaller things, especially if you aren't a big player in the Multifamily space, and actually dig into some numbers! Back in April of 2019, I closed on my first Multifamly, a 6-unit deal. I was so happy because I finally broke into the commercial real estate space! By all the metrics I've learned and discussed with other investors, I finally found a deal that both met my personal investment needs and provided the "real-life" experience to be more credible to JV and syndicate to scale. Now don't get me wrong, I am VERY happy with this investment and it is doing great. But I wanted to highlight some specific examples of the title line of this article with REAL numbers and real experiences I have had. Let's get into it!

At a local meetup, I was casually talking to another investor who owned a 10 unit. I was saying why an established property management company is crucial and an amazing ally on your team. I told this example of how the previous owner was paying $120 / month for trash collection, and because my PM manages 3500+ doors they can easily get deals from companies. We got a new contract and paid only $90 / month, increasing the value by about $4,000! I’m pretty smart, right? This investor was telling me how they pay $110 / month and they should look into that. But wait, who’s the smarter guy here? When you break it down to cost per unit, I am paying $15 / unit and they are paying $11 / unit. Same service, lower expense ratio. Same goes for lawn care, snow plowing, etc.

All in all, this is the reason why stabilized small properties operate around 55% expenses and larger properties operate more to 50% expenses, or lower. Property management costs also are tiered, where price breaks by % points at certain number of units. Each % point is another ½% in your cash flow (about), and they are important!

The other big thing is spikey expenses. This is very true with SFRs, where cash flow is amazing when nothing goes wrong, but the second there is a vacancy or anything needs replacement, it takes months to recover. In a real-life situation, one of the furnaces in my 6 unit died, in the middle of the winter in Cleveland. Now, in a SFR this would be a crisis, but luckily, the other units had residual heat to that unit. BUT we still had an unhappy tenant. With an emergency call on a Saturday, we patched it up and scheduled a full replacement 2 weeks later. This turned into a $3,000 charge that would take me about 2.5 months of cash flow to recover from (this is also why it's important to have a healthy cash reserve to operate from and deal with unexpected issues! Also, stash some money away each month for these big events). So in reality, I was overly cautious with the cash but being my first apartment I wanted to be safe.

Final item I will go over is cost segregation. This is surprisingly one of the most unknown tax advantages people don’t know about. I can’t tell you how many people who are much more experienced than me don’t know about this and I end up educating them on this! Essentially, if you don’t know, Cost Segregation is literally segregating the “costs” or value of the building into different buckets, specifically 5 years, 7 and 15 years. For example, carpet lasts only 5 years so why depreciate it at 27.5 years? This study accelerates the depreciation of the asset so you get more of your money now and not later. A dollar today is worth a dollar tomorrow! And don’t get me started on 100% bonus depreciation! The point is, on smaller deals, it doesn’t really make sense. It’s an expensive study and becomes exponentially more valuable the bigger the asset. For example, there was a 20 unit deal recently I wanted to buy and did a quick cost seg estimate that I got free from the team I work with. Here are the numbers:

$210,000 all in cost (including reserves, light rehab, down payment, closing costs, and cost of study). Cost seg study showed an accelerated (extra) depreciation of $170,000 year 1, which at a conservative 25% tax rate is $42,500, minus the estimated $4,000 cost is a gained value of $38,500. That means, if you can claim all of that loss in year one, that is a ROI of 18.3% on tax savings alone! (NOTE: I am not a CPA and far from a tax expert, so always check with your CPA on if this makes sense for you and your personal strategy. There are restrictions and limitations!). Therefore, I must take a slow, boring 27.5 year depreciation.

Ok, that is all for now. While bigger deals are definitely better, there are more smaller ones, and they are more accessible and trade more often. At the end of the day, what matters is the %s, not the numbers. I hope you gained some value and while I am VERY happy with this deal and it has been great, there are pros and cons to each investment. I got what I needed out of this small deal, and ready to expand.

What are other reasons you like bigger, or smaller deals?

Post: MultiFamily Refinance Tax and Fee Implications

Michael ReilmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 37
Originally posted by @Jung Won Kim:

Hypothetically, if a GP were to refinance and return let's say 50% of the initial investment to the LPs. Is that money taxed for the LPs? I would think not since it is returning a portion of their initial capital, but not sure how the IRS would view it.

In addition, once the GP refinances the 50% of initial investment of the LPs, I believe the GP would usually charge a refinance fee. If the GP and LPs agree to use that 50% returned money to do a 1031 exchange, is it common for the GP to charge another acquisition fee on top of the refinance fee?

In regards to my first question about whether the refinanced money is taxed for the LPs, that's assuming there is NO 1031 exchange.

 No, refinanced money from a cash out is tax free. That's one of the reasons why it is so good! 

I don't think I've heard of a GP charging a refinance fee, I would guess it comes out as an operating expense in the LLC so not only does everyone in a way collectively pay for it but you can write it off. And I don't think there would be another acquisition fee on top of that. And yes, you must sell a property to do a 1031 exchange.

Post: Cover letter to impress brokers/lenders :)

Michael ReilmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 37
Originally posted by @Jonathan Farber:

Hey all, preparing to make my first larger size multi-family offer. We have a nice LOI prepared but I am trying to present myself / deal as professionally as possible. I will share whatever I come up with, but curious if anyone had a template or example they have used and had success with. Or if anyone had tips for creating one. Thanks!

While I haven't landed any huge deal, I heard from bigger syndicators that a proof of funds and also a powerpoint talking about your experience, team, referencing your website, deals, etc is good. The broker's biggest concern is closing on the deal, so if you can prove that you can close, then they will take you seriously. 

Post: Pros and Cons of Using dual agent in MF investment

Michael ReilmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 37
Originally posted by @Leon Lee:
Originally posted by @Ian Stuart:

If you work with the dual agent - you're definitely more likely to be awarded the deal! On the multifamily side - on small deals - the Marcus & Millichap guys are trained to push deals towards buyers who write their offers through their office. You get a better shot of being awarded the deal if you work through them. In red hot markets similar to the ones you describe, working with the listing agent to "double end" the deal will give you a better chance - especially if your competing against a buyer pool that's paying all cash, going hard on earnest money early, and promising quick DD, etc. 

Ian

Thank you very much for your helpful suggestion! I will definitely find more information on the Marcus & Millichap brokers. Do you mind telling a little more about how to "double end" the deal? I am new and have not heard about this terminology before. 

Thanks in advance!

Lee

Hey Lee, I think what Ian means is that that agent gets the whole commission rather than have to split it. So with one agent, they are much more incentivized to work with you and not someone who has a buyer's agent. Whether this is what Ian was saying or not, it still is a benefit. 

Post: Multifamily not enough cash down first time home buyer

Michael ReilmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 37
Originally posted by @Jonathan Perry:

Hello,

My name is Jonathan and I'm from Massachusetts this is my first post on BP. I have been on the hunt for a 3-4 unit house in Marlborough, MA. I have found a few and put in offers but keep getting out bid as I am a first time home buyer trying to put 3.5 - 5% down. It's a little frustrating but I am grinding it out and I wont give up. My goal is to have a lot of multi families all over, to reach financial freedom. But it starts with the first one. If there is anyone that has some good advice for me or can connect me with someone in the Massachusetts area already doing well for themselves I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Jonathan

Have you considered going to a local REIA meeting and connect with someone there?

Post: Should you use a real-estate agent for multi-family properties?

Michael ReilmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 37
Originally posted by @Ben Hunt:

Hello BiggerPockets!

There's a small supply of MF properties, specifically 4-plexes, in the area that I'm looking in and I don't see much value-add from a buyers agent. I plan on house hacking a 4-plex that has some value-add potential.

I'm currently set up on the MLS for a feed of 3 & 4 plex properties, but there's hardly anything on there, just a few listings.
In addition, everything that I've seen on the MLS, I've seen on other sites like Realtor/Zillow/Craigslist and etc.

So, from this, there's not much to manage in terms of property searching. I'm already resorting to an off-market search, so especially in this case, would an agent provide any extra value and 3-6% of the sale value at that?

Also, this would be for my first purchase. I wouldn't want to use one solely because "you're a newbie", but if there's actual value-add that can be had. 

Questions:

  1. Is there enough value-add from a buyers agent in this circumstance to warrant the 6% cost. (or 3% after split)
  2. What would I have to now manage if I didn't go with an agent? What would the difficulty be in making an offer myself?

    Please let me know!

    Best,

    Ben



      For residential, doesn't the seller pay for the agent's commission, whether split or not? In all of my transactions, the seller has paid this. Might be an Ohio thing where other states what's expected is different. In this case, there is almost no reason not to go with a buyer's agent. Plus that agent may have connections to where if you say, "Hey, I'm looking to house hack a 4-plex", they could ask around and might get a lead on one coming on the market soon. 

      OR if you are looking for a flip, you could try to partner with someone who is wholesaling or flipping themselves. 

      In my opinion, you don't take on that much in Residential. You do the same things, just all the small stuff too, like taking all the calls, scheduling all the appointments, inspections and managing the bank and title company. Buyer's agent usually deals with the details so that the retail purchaser doesn't have to. What's nice is you are in control of negotiations if you don't have one. When we bought our house, the agent we used frankly didn't try much. 

      Just some ideas!