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All Forum Posts by: Sam Leon

Sam Leon has started 325 posts and replied 1436 times.

Post: Lease expiring end of April with a stay at home order

Sam LeonPosted
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  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Originally posted by @George Pauley:
I think you have to contact them and find out if they are proceeding with the move out, or are staying due to impact of stay-at-home order.  You really don't know what their plans are at this point, and guessing or assuming will almost certainly get you in trouble.

It seems to me that the current virus situation likely makes it difficult to find new renters for the next month or more.  As such having the current renters stay on a m2m lease seems like a win for you?

I do plan on calling them, but I like to walk a few steps further in my head to think of various scenerios and at least have an idea what I might do in each case so it doesn't evolve into ten calls with many "I have to think about that and get back to you".

There is no issue if they both move, or if they both want to stay until this is over.  The issue is if one is able to move and the other isn't, or worse yet, they both don't know because they didn't expect this and it depends on "if I can get my brother to help and if my brother can find someone to borrow a truck on that day" LOL.

Post: Lease expiring end of April with a stay at home order

Sam LeonPosted
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Originally posted by @Amy Aziz:

@Sam Leon Have you placed your home on the market for rent with a move-in date of May 1st? Also, I agree with John 100% call them and them what their current situation is. See if they are intrested in M2M. 

No I have no one moving in May 1st.  I do not market my rental until it's completely vacated so that's not an issue.

I haven't call them yet as I know the situation can be complicated which cannot be resolved with a call to a single person.  I neglected to mention that this is a roommate situation (together on a single lease).  In that case it's even more complicated if one roommate move back to live with her mom on April 30 and the other one can't move.  I got the feeling the two of them grew distant from each other after they moved in since increasingly I had to notify both of them individually on maintenance and notifications.

I will have to call each and see what the situation is.  But whatever their individual situation is staying there require a joint action which may or may not be realistic.

Post: Lease expiring end of April with a stay at home order

Sam LeonPosted
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  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
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I have a single family home with tenants and lease is expiring April 30.

The tenants are planning to move out.  I am not sure if they have found a new place yet.

They paid first, last and security, so rent for April is prepaid last year.  I have already advised them March 1 to not pay rent for April by mistake.

Then our state implements a stay at home order till whenever, at least 30 days and essential businesses are shut down.

I doubt they can find a mover now at the end of the month.  They may be stuck at the rental.

How would you handle this situation?

Offer to switch to a M2M for as long as they need until they can move is the only thing I can think of, I certainly cannot let them just stay without a lease.

Post: I am offering my tenants a Covid-19 RENT DISCOUNT

Sam LeonPosted
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Interesting.  I would like to collect my rent in full, however, I am also not blind to the fact that about half of my tenants are not working.  One is a hair stylist, two flight attendants, one event caterer, one wedding/event planner.  Yet there are other tenants with office jobs who are not affected except the work is being conducted at home.

My cost will increase no doubt, due to everyone staying home.  More water consumption, more electric consumption, in one property I even include internet and cable which I expect the internet to exceed the 2TB usage cap if the tenants are Netflix and chilling 24/7.

I have not yet reached out to my tenants about rent yet.  I did reach out to all with a stay safe letter to advise all to let everyone to follow social distancing guidelines, to not hold any group parties at the property, to be mindful of excessive internet usage (that work at home is a necessity but binge watching shows around the clock is not), and to let me know if they have any maintenance requests because if and when our city or state (FL) implements a stay at home order I will switch to emergency service only mode.

My thinking on this rent issue is a two tiered strategy.  I don't think I want to have individualized conversations with each tenant about their specific issues, not that I don't care, but I don't think I can provide relief individually, if I do something for Carol in apartment B I can't not offer it to Jim in apartment D.  Some tenants talk to each other, especially when they are home much more now.  I don't want to have to explain to Jim why Carol is getting something (it's not Jim's business) but I don't want Jim to feel that he's paying extra now.  Someone suggested having to provide proof of income loss or unemployment.  I am not sure that is a good idea either.

Since all my rentals required first, last and security deposits, I think if and when the first tenant reaches out about not being able to pay, I will apply last month's rent to cover the rent.  I will leave it up to them how they want to do it.  They can either take the entire last month's rent and cover one full month, or they can prorate it over a period of time, say if they want to split it over the next three months, then they only have to come up with 2/3 rent for the next three months.  Their last month's rent is then due at the last month.

I am also seriously considering a rent credit with a weight tilted to longer term tenants. For example one formula could be:

$x * n

Let's say x could be a number such as $50. The n is a multiplier which is the number of years you have occupied the property.

If this is your forth year as a tenant, then the number works out to be $50*4 = $200.

If this is your first year as a tenant, then the number is just $50*1 = $50.

This is then the amount you can deduct from your rent for a period of say 60ndays or longer (until the eviction suspension is lifted) IF you pay the reduced rent on time. I am thinking this will be a fair way to give more relief to the better longer term tenants, and does not require me to have one to one  conversations, reviewing evident of hardship, and making case by case decisions that may come back to me as being unfair treatments and playing favorites.

To me using the last month's rent plus a rent credit may be something that can hold people over several months plus it's an incentive for longer term tenants (which are typically better tenants) to stay longer.

Post: Communicating with your tenants Regarding COVID-19

Sam LeonPosted
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  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Originally posted by @Matt Nico:
Originally posted by @Peter Nikic:

I'm trying to figure out how to best communicate with my tenants regarding this difficult time of the corona virus.

I'd like to be sensitive to what's going on, but I also want to be able to cover my mortgages, bills etc. 

Anyone have any thoughts? letters that you're sending out to tenants? I'd love to get perspectives before reaching out to my tenants. Thanks.

 

@Peter Nikic

I have a plan in place that I will share..... I know mostly everyone is living close to paycheck by paycheck in my properties, but this coming months rent isn't an issue for my current tenants. Its after that that's the problem. 

What I have decided is that next month if tenants are having trouble paying, I will apply their security deposit to the rent for them, and explain to them that I am taking a big risk by giving you back your deposit to cover rent, and that I hope that they will in return respect my home and the things I have provided in it extra carefully. All of my tenants and I have good relationships, and they will all have no problem with this. Then once this whole thing blows over, I will give them a period of time to accumulate their deposit back up again.

Hope this helps.

-Matt

Thanks for sharing.

I would also like to see more input from fellow landlords as far as what they are considering doing for the tenants who are being hit by this crisis.

Some of the things that crossed my mind:

  • -rent credit
  • -rent reduction
  • -deferred rent payment plan
  • -waiving late fees
  • -apply security deposits as rent payment
  • -apply advanced rent (last month's rent) as rent payment
  • -what else?  need ideas here...

and specifically, do you have a short and medium term strategy?  Will you do this differently is this crisis last for 6 months vs 2 months?

For example, I am seriously toying with two options, one is to apply last month's rent and security deposit as rent, but this is only to last two months.  If this lingers any longer, then we are back to the same boat in another 2 months.

I am also seriously considering a rent credit for multi-family occupants with a weight tilted to longer term tenants.  For example one formula could be:

$x * n

Let's say x could be a number such as $50.  The n is a multiplier which is the number of years you have occupied the property.

If this is your forth year as a tenant, then the number works out to be $50*4 = $200.

If this is your first year as a tenant, then the number is just $50*1 = $50.

This is then the amount you can deduct from your rent for a period of say 60 days or longer (TBD) IF you the reduced rent on time.  I am thinking this will be a fair way to give more relief to the better longer term tenants, and does not require me to have one to one conversations, reviewing evident of hardship, and making case by case decisions that may come back to me as being unfair treatments and playing favorites.  I am not saying I am definitely doing this, but I am just throwing ideas on the wall.

Post: Communicating with your tenants Regarding COVID-19

Sam LeonPosted
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  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
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The latest from the white house briefing is the immediate suspension of forward and reverse mortage foreclosures and evictions for single family homes for the next sixty days, I assume this means for all HUD properties?

Post: Continue with closing or back out?

Sam LeonPosted
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Can you actually get it to close on time?

more and more states are shutting down non essential businesses, highly questionable you can get appraisers, inspectors and surveyors for physical visits so most likely there will be a delay? 

Post: Communicating with your tenants Regarding COVID-19

Sam LeonPosted
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  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Originally posted by @Max T.:
Originally posted by @Sam Leon:

You all want to keep the "good tenants", does this mean you are treating the good tenants differently from the not so good tenants?

If you work something out with one tenant who is struggling in this crisis, whether it is rent reduction, rent credit, deferred payment plan of some sort, applying last month or deposits towards rent, whatever...how do you solve the problem in a multi family setting where everyone including the ones who could afford rent stop paying "If George gets to skip rent I am not paying either!"

One reason is because you have no choice really. Around here courts are closed. Also, "I don't discuss tenants' private information." 

I don't discuss tenants' private information either, but tenants do talk to each other.  My tenants come to me saying "I see that you gave unit B a brand new refrigerator with a water dispenser, I would like one of those too" so I know they are friendly with each other.  There is no reason to believe they will not share information on how they are coping with the crisis financially.

Post: Communicating with your tenants Regarding COVID-19

Sam LeonPosted
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Originally posted by @Mark F.:
Originally posted by @Sam Leon:

You all want to keep the "good tenants", does this mean you are treating the good tenants differently from the not so good tenants?

If you work something out with one tenant who is struggling in this crisis, whether it is rent reduction, rent credit, deferred payment plan of some sort, applying last month or deposits towards rent, whatever...how do you solve the problem in a multi family setting where everyone including the ones who could afford rent stop paying "If George gets to skip rent I am not paying either!"

I'd explain to them the person down the hall isnt "skipping rent". They are some sort of payment plan or deferred payments. Another way to explain it? You're the boss and the owner. Unless this person complaining can show proof of some financial hardship due to what's going on, end of discussion. I hope as a landlord/business owner you're able to handle conversations like this.

This is a hypothetical scenerio but one I can see happening so I would like to have a plan in place in case it does happen.

The question is many here suggested "I want to work something out with my good tenants" this implies something could be worked out with only good tenants and not so much for bad tenants (assuming some of us have tenants we may not want to keep)?  My point is I am thinking especially in a multi family building tenants do become friendly, and many are staying home, they are probably talking to each other about their respective situations.

Therefore, in those types of rentals, if I give one tenant a break (of some sort, whether it may be deferred payment, or rent credit or something else), I think I have to extend the same to everyone in that same building to be fair, and yes requiring proof of hardship may be necessary, and what would be a criteria one would use to evaluate hardship?  Does this criteria need to be uniformly applied to not get into trouble later on?  A termination of employment letter from the employer?  A self employed contract hair dresser what type of paperwork are you requiring to prove hardship?

In my opinion, this is more likely a 3-6 month crisis, it is not a 1 month process.  Every step taken is an unknown and no one knows if it's a forward or backward step.

Post: Communicating with your tenants Regarding COVID-19

Sam LeonPosted
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  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
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You all want to keep the "good tenants", does this mean you are treating the good tenants differently from the not so good tenants?

If you work something out with one tenant who is struggling in this crisis, whether it is rent reduction, rent credit, deferred payment plan of some sort, applying last month or deposits towards rent, whatever...how do you solve the problem in a multi family setting where everyone including the ones who could afford rent stop paying "If George gets to skip rent I am not paying either!"