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All Forum Posts by: Joseph Bramante

Joseph Bramante has started 11 posts and replied 152 times.

Post: What is stopping you from investing in multifamily?

Joseph BramantePosted
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  • Houston, TX
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Originally posted by @Redgy Saint-Germain:

@Joseph Bramante 

I was going off this "Rarely do multifamily properties have a single owner. They are usually a partnership or syndication of several investors. Sometimes up to 35 investors. When I first started, our investors were able to join our syndications with a minimum investment of $10,000!" 

I guess I should have asked, how much were you paying back then? $800 seems negligible, I wasn't sure if you had a prefered return + equity 

Redgy

I thought I was misunderstanding you. Back when I first started, it was common for the GP to get 15% equity for putting the deal together, so thats what we did. We got 15% equity up front, so your 800 would become $680. 

The only equity we get now is equity that we pay for. 

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Joseph Bramante thanks for the reality check on the amount of capital needed for a purchase of that size. We listened to a few of Robert Kiyosaki's books and he made it sound like we could do no money down be being a little creative, and we could also do non recourse loans and we assumed that meant the bank wouldn't require huge capital reserves. Ignorance on our part. How big do you have to go before lenders will give you non recourse loans? Is it just a matter of having a good track record, and it doesn't matter how big the loan is? We didn't know about the prorating for depreciation, that helps a lot. Thanks for the recommendation for finding a syndicator. Will definitely look into that. 

 In general, you need a $5M loan. I have one that is 2M and non recourse, but it is the exception. 

Be sure to check the copyright date for Mr Kiyosakis books. I'm assuming most were written in the 90's before the real estate crash. None of that stuff applies any more. 

Post: What is stopping you from investing in multifamily?

Joseph BramantePosted
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  • Houston, TX
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Originally posted by @Jonah Walsh:
Im a student at Rowan University in south jersey. It is a growing state school that recently had millions invested. Im determined to turn a small single family home into a student housing investment. I was thinking if i could find a four bed room close to the school it would yeild 4 rental payments each month. Assuming I have sufficient funds to buy a single family home in a c+ neighborhood, what would my first steps be realistically to pull the trigger. Thanks!

 Student housing is a unique property mgmt scenario. My company, for example, does not buy student housing MFs because they are operated differently and you need a management team that specializes in that. 

Why are they unique? Because students are very rough on apartments, they have no money, and they just spent 18 years living rent free with there parents, and they are in college which is challenging. 

Considering you are a student yourself, I would caution you against it since it would not make sense for most students. But maybe you are the exception. Even at 4 beds, it could create a lot of work for you. Especially if the house has lots of maintenance issues. or if the residents break stuff. 

I would post your question in the SF forums since they might be able to help you more. 

Good Luck!

Post: What is stopping you from investing in multifamily?

Joseph BramantePosted
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  • Houston, TX
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Originally posted by @Redgy Saint-Germain:

@Joseph Bramante Awesome, we definitely lucky to have an amazing community. I don't know where I would be without BP 

My question to you is " how much are you paying someone on an 10k investment" even at 8% the return seems negligible .

Redgy

 Glad to help.

I don't think I understand your question. If someone where to invest 10k at an 8% return, the payout per year would be $800. However, we don't accept less than $100k investment, so our payout would be $0 on 10k ;)

Post: What is stopping you from investing in multifamily?

Joseph BramantePosted
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  • Houston, TX
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Originally posted by @Paul Papamarkos:

I am new to the real estate market and I am interested in purchasing a multi family in the near future as a buy and hold property (not owner occupied). My wife and I have two very good income jobs but I am interested in purchasing the property with 0 money down. I do not have a private money lender that I can borrow from. What options do I have with purchasing the property with 0 money down and not borrowoing from family

 Paul,

Just to clarify, you have 0 MF experience and you would like to buy your first MF property with 0% down payment. To my knowledge, you have 0 options available for what you are trying to do. I would expect to pay 30% down on your first deal, full recourse. 

Also, usually when somebody has a very good job, they work a lot of hours. You would be better served by investing passively until you can replace your income. Then by your first property. 

Or, save a $1M and buy a medium sized property in your market. 

Good luck.  

Post: What is stopping you from investing in multifamily?

Joseph BramantePosted
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  • Houston, TX
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Originally posted by @Tom Furlough:

I was initially interested in MF syndications as meeting the minimums in most is not an issue. However, it seems I did just enough research to turn me away as I'm not an accredited investor. It's interesting to hear that it's not an absolute requirement.

Are most Sponsors that work with non-accredited investors new to syndications? If so, how do you make yourself comfortable with investing with someone who may not have a lot of experience? 

 There are various reasons why a sponsor may accept non accredited investors. They may be selling or refinancing a property with a large cash out and many of those non accredited investors have shown an interest in reinvesting, so he forms a new syndication. 

Or maybe they just have more access to non accredited capital. 

Having a low min and accepting non accredited does not classify you as inexperienced. The only real way to find out is to ask them what there experience is. Talk with them on the phone. Ask a few questions. If things are going well, ask for referrals. Ask to see there Schedule A to select a few referrals yourself. 

Good Luck

Post: What is stopping you from investing in multifamily?

Joseph BramantePosted
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  • Houston, TX
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Originally posted by @Tracy Streich:

The main reason I do not invest in Multi family is the exit strategy. If I have a multi family I can sell it to another investor. Sometimes you can sell at the top of the market if you have the right complex in the right area. However you are selling to an investor. Just like everyone here on BP the investor wants the best deal possible. If I have several SFR properties I have several options. I can sell to another investor or I can put them on the market and sell and the top of the market to an end user. Someone buying the house to live in the house. I have found I can typically get more doing this because unlike an investor sell there is much more emotional attachment by the buyer. I have done several single family syndication deals and these have worked well for me.

With that said multi family does work well for some investors just like commercial property. Just figuring out all the ins and outs of Single family is hard enough. That is why I focus just on SFR. One are of expertise and I figure I will make less mistakes. Someone else can be the expert and invest in Multi family and commercial.

 You made two great points. 

1) Buyers and Sellers of MF properties are all professional investors. There is no emotional attachment. If there is, it is viewed as a weakness and taken advantage of during negations. We are all trying to screw the other person out of something. 

2) SF and MF are completely different. The only similarities are structural but financially and operationally, two completely different business models. I don't care if you have 120 houses, you are no more qualified to buy a 20 unit MF than somebody with 0 houses. Slight exaggeration but you get the point. 

Post: What is stopping you from investing in multifamily?

Joseph BramantePosted
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  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 157
  • Votes 132
Originally posted by @Taylor L.:

@Joseph Bramante I'd say I have more 'roadblocks' than anything stopping me. Nothing is stopping me at all. 

Re: My own sponsorship business: I am building this now. I'm building an investor list, and I have access to multiple capital raisers who are looking for deals in the $20MM range. There, I just need to find a deal. Working on it. I run a Richmond VA Multifamily Investors meetup. I also post a weekly newsletter for Virginia Apartment Investors. Anyone interested in either can reach out to me via PM.

Re: My participation as an LP in more deals: I don't know enough sponsors who offer 506(b) deals. That's all. I trust the sponsors I have invested with, but I won't put all my eggs in one GP basket. That, and I'm prioritizing using my capital for my own GP deals.

 Congratulation on your success. It sounds like you have done the recommended way which is to passively invest in several deals and now you have enough cash flow to branch off on your own (hopefully quit your day job) and syndicate a deal yourself. Meetups are a great way to raise capital. Good luck

Post: What is stopping you from investing in multifamily?

Joseph BramantePosted
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  • Houston, TX
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Originally posted by @Tom Chen:

Thanks for the thread...!

Here are my challenges with buying multi-family apartments.

1. Finding multi-family apartments that want to sell at an investor price.

2. Finding financial backers for that apartment once found (although this one seems like I might have figured out through various networking meetings I've attended).

 1) good luck. You can't blame investors for asking for max dollars. NY is a very challenging market. If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. Otherwise, try looking at other markets. Texas is a hot spot for out of state buyers for this reason. 

2) Sounds like you solved this problem. Good luck. 

Post: What is stopping you from investing in multifamily?

Joseph BramantePosted
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  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 157
  • Votes 132
Originally posted by @Celena Lathrop:

I am always looking for MFs, but in my hot market they are few and far between. The ones I stumble on are generally in neighborhoods I wouldn't walk through alone during the day, and the remaining can not cash flow sufficiently. Financing is not the issue, but mere supply. Always looking!

 Yep, Austin is all land play. I never even look at deals there because nothing makes sense. Try San Antonio. Its close to you and the market is doing well. Solid market.