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All Forum Posts by: Matt Nico

Matt Nico has started 21 posts and replied 429 times.

@Carlos H DeOliveira

Thats the development off Old lake wilson and osceola polk line road right? I actually was checking out an MLS listing in there the other day. I own in the next development over. Small world.

Originally posted by @Carlos H DeOliveira:

@Matt Nico - I have 3 STR in Davenport FL, my occupancy rate between all properties is 88% for July, 87% in August (still have time to rent), at about 70% for September already. My nightly rate average is 4% higher than last year.

The biggest change for me since COVID has been an increased number of cancellations, 100% domestic guests versus a large amount of international guests, and due to COVID guests stay inside the house much more than they used to so I've been having a lot more wear and tear issues than I used to.

My nightly rate is about $14/night higher than houses in the area

 Carlos, 

That's sweet. Thanks for sharing. Where in Davenport are you? I'm willing to bet we have properties within 5 minutes of each other. Providence? Reunion? Championsgate?

I see you are from Rhode Island. I guess you do out of state investing then?

Originally posted by @Jared Rine:

@Matt Nico  @Anthony Sgro...not trying to hijack thread, but the DSCR loans are definitely back in motion. Some lenders paused them as Covid started, but some of the better ones are back (obviously with adjusted guidelines and terms), but still getting them done. Don't know if that's an option, but just thought I'd put it out there.

 Jared,

If you offer any kind of DSCR loan I would love to hear from you. I will be looking for lending in 1-2 months. I am finishing up a rehab now and then have another house lined up to buy in October.

-Matt

Originally posted by @Rob C.:

From what I've read in the forums it seems that conventional wisdom here is it's best to hire only contractors & handymen that are insured. I adopted this perspective when I started as a landlord as I tend to trust the biggerpockets community at large. Now though I'm starting to question that perspective. Many of the arguments for hiring insured contractors suggest that you'll want to place a claim on their insurance rather than yours when something happens (e.g. they get injured on your property). However, isn't that part of the reason I'm paying my insurance premiums- to protect me in an unexpected event? I understand not wanting to place a claim on your own insurance and risk higher premiums, but is it really worth paying extra for an insured handyman each time just to prevent that rare situation? It seems equivalent to paying for rental car insurance even though your auto insurance will offer coverage if you get in a collision. I'm interested to hear what others here think about this counter perspective. I'm still trying to make up my mind on this matter, and feedback always helps. For what it's worth, I'm thinking about all this with regard to miscellaneous maintenance & small jobs on a rental property rather than a full rehab. Although I'm not sure that should even make a difference- does it?

 Rob, I would look at the contractor in terms of your big ticket items in your house. Things like a new roof, anything electricity, or an Air conditioner or water heater, you should probably go with someone who is insured. These are the bigger items with risk. I make sure contractors have a license and are insured.

For the smaller stuff, I am perfectly fine calling a mom and pop handyman to fix things. Do you really need insurance for someone to come over and replace a kitchen sink that's leaking? I'd say no.

Happy Housing,

-Matt

Originally posted by @Ned Carey:

@Matt Nico
     It makes sense to me. LLC's are pass through entities to my knowledge.


Yes they are. Which is why there is no tax advantage to what you are doing. You get to depreciate and take all business expenses even if you do business in your own name.

Since the property is in your name you will be liable personally for any liability that comes from the property. That is true even is you LLC is the property manager.

There is certainly nothing wrong with the way you want to do things, I just don't see any advantage. 

Yes starting your business earlier rather than later will Help build credit for that business. However the bank is still going to look at your personal finances and expect you to guarantee the loan.

Regarding the "Gain" as you say I had a bank turn me down for a loan because all my income was short term capital gains. "How do we know you are going to do that next year." The fact that my business was flipping houses seemed to be lost on them. Banks can be very dumb at times.

I don't mean to be critical of your plan. I just want to make sure you don't think you are getting some kind of advantage that you are not really getting.  Good luck

Yes I agree, banks can be a bit dumb sometimes. I have had similar experiences. But yeah that's how I have everything set up right now and it seems to be working well. I thought about moving the homes from my personal name to my LLC, but a good insurance policy should accomplish the same thing as the asset protection, and It just seems like a risk to be able to have the bank call such favorable loan terms due. The interest is really low.

-Matt

@Ned Carey

It makes sense to me. LLC's are pass through entities to my knowledge. So my cash flow comes right to me. I still get to depreciate and write off expenses before paying Uncle Sam.

I have been told my multiple lenders in the past that to aquire a business line of credit or a loan i need 2 years of history. Everyday that goes my is another day ticking off of that 2 year waiting period. Once a bank sees how big of a positive gain i make, a loan should be fairly simple.

@Justin Hammond

Cool. Thanks for all the info. I am sure i will utilize a wrap at some point. Im starting to build a good amount of relationships in the area so i think deals fill funnel to me. Hopefully i can link up with a handful of lenders with multiple options.

-Matt

Originally posted by @Ned Carey:

@Matt Nico Here are some basics. As you say owner occupied will get the best terms. A second home that you own for your own personal use would probably be the next best terms. However neither of these will help you as an investor.

If you chose to own investment properties in your own name then any traditional mortgage lender should offer some type of loan. This could come from local, regional or national banks, as well as credit unions.

If you own property in an LLC or other entity, most mortgage products won't work for you. You will need a commercial loan. This will may mean much higher rates and much harder to get longer term loans. You may be limited to 5 year adjustable loans.

When talking to lenders ask them what products do they have for investors. (product is often the term they will use for various loan programs) It is very important the they know if the property will be in your own name or in an LLC.

Sadly many lenders don't even know that they can't finance an LLC until well along in the process. Sometimes a bank may tell you we can't finance an LLC but in the same bank in the office next door the commercial lender would be happy to make yo a loan.

There is LOT more to it but hopefully this helps. 

Hey Ned, thanks for the reply.

Your HELOC suggestion is the route I am about to take actually. I am running in to a bit of a problem finding a bank that will do a HELOC on an investment property loan, but I am hoping I will crack through that obstacle soon.

For the lending that you mentioned in my personal name vs. my LLC, wouldn't it be more beneficial to place all of my rentals in my own name, and then run the cash flow through my LLC? What are your thoughts on this?

I know a lot of people worry about liability, which is why the LLC question comes up a lot. I personally dont see it as a big deal as long as I am cautious and protect my assets with proper insurance...I was just thinking about a large umbrella policy. My LLC was created to get a business bank account and credit card to separate my finances more than anything.

For a commercial loan, is this 30 year amortized but with a balloon at 5 years usually? Or does it act more like an ARM with the interest rate setting for the first few years, and then it adjusts.

Thanks for your input,

Matt

Originally posted by @Justin Hammond:

@Matt Nico, You wouldn't actually owe him 160k, you would owe him the full 260k, and you'd be paying him interest on that full balance. His underlying balance doesn't affect you (except that you want to make sure he's paying it). At any point, he could pay off a portion or all of his loan, which would have no bearing on your obligation to him.

Wraps do trigger the due on sale clause,

 Justin,

This gives me a lot better clarity, thanks. So for that hypothetical 260k that I would owe to the seller, you mentioned that I should make sure he is paying it. That seems incredibly difficult to be able to force someone to pay a mortgage to a house they don't own anymore. Whats to stop them from just pocketing the money? I was assuming I would be given that mortgage information and I would make the payments, and then send him the difference.

When you say the due on sale clause is triggered, wouldnt a bank that has any kind of good equity in a property call the loan due? I was under the impression that a phone call would be made to the bank to sort of ask for permission to do a wrap, and then have something in writing that states as long as the payments are still coming in they wont call the loan due. In the 100 deals that you said you have done, can you give me a quick synopsis of how you executed them?

With respect to your second post where you talk about a lot of loan products, what I am basically trying to accomplish is scaling. I'm only on my 4th property and I am already having trouble with my DTI even though my properties cash flow incredibly well. So I am trying to avoid using a DTI ratio and go for more of a pure investment loan product with a manageable interest rate. The 5%-6% sounds perfectly fine. I actually was running numbers at 7% to be safe. Do you have any lender recommendations or brokers? Or should I just be calling every bank I see and asking what are their terms for investment loans?

Thanks again for your time. This is very helpful already.

-Matt

Originally posted by @Justin Hammond:

@Matt Nico, a Wrap is a type of seller financing, which is also more of an acquisition strategy similar to a subject to. With a wrap, the seller carries back financing even when they themselves still have a loan on the property. For example, a seller who owes $100k on a house can sell that property for $200k and carry back the note. This creates a Wrap Mortgage, or a loan wrapped around another one. The new buyer has an obligation to the seller, and the seller maintains their obligation to their lender. These are typically facilitated by an escrow company who can ensure that the underlying loan is paid before the seller receives any proceeds from the spread. I have done a number of these, and so has @Michael Thompson.

Hey Justin,

Thanks for the reply. So I understand the basics for what a wrap is, and your post clarified it better for me. The information I am trying to gain out of it is terms and how to execute it.

As an example....I actually bought a house a couple months ago using seller financing where the seller owned the property free and clear. So the mortgage was easy as I just make payments to him and he is carrying the entire balance. So lets say he owed $100k on the house still. I bought it for $260k, so I would need to do a wrap. I would owe him 160k, and then there is the 100k left that he owes to the bank. 

How do I go about setting that up? Do I call his bank and ask for permission to assume his mortgage of 100k? I assume they would have to approve of this. And also, what kind of terms such as interest rate and down payment do you usually get on a wrap?

-Matt