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All Forum Posts by: Matt A.

Matt A. has started 8 posts and replied 46 times.

Post: Importance of immediate cash flow when starting out

Matt A.Posted
  • Homeowner
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 1

Rich Weese that helps. I can see speculating in appreciation down the line when my monthly cash flow can afford it, but the early days of building capital require immediate returns.

Post: Importance of immediate cash flow when starting out

Matt A.Posted
  • Homeowner
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 1

Thanks Marco Santarelli. The idea of my first purchase not being in my market is a weird idea to get my head around. I see the reasoning but it's going to take getting beyond the comfort level of that "drive by" ability!

You would say that every beginning investor, even with 1 or 2 rentals, should use professional property management?

Just downloaded your report. Thanks!

Post: Importance of immediate cash flow when starting out

Matt A.Posted
  • Homeowner
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 1

Wow thanks for all these great responses.

It sounds like in a market with a diversity of A, B, and C neighborhoods (like Seattle) there should be a starter property which will offer immediate CF.

Robert Steele, my approach would be to find the B/C cusp areas that are moving away from problem tenants and into solid appreciation.

Marco Santarelli, do you think it is better to start with a property in my immediate area to get my hands on it and learn the ropes first hand before investing in an out of market property?

Post: Importance of immediate cash flow when starting out

Matt A.Posted
  • Homeowner
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 1

I started a topic yesterday about markets which are more or less likely to produce positive cash flow. Related to that- what is the opinion on how important immediate cash flow is?

I see that we want both cash flow AND appreciation. Posts here say CF is sometimes sacrificed for appreciation, while others say go for both simultaneously. My area of Seattle suffered less of a value hit during the last decline, and is well developed and stable from what I have seen so far.

Any investors who went through the first early years with negative cash flow? With a stable, appreciating area, is it to be expected? Or does every market, either slow or rapid growth, have areas which are undervalued and thus can be rehabbed and offer positive flow?

And are there ways to mitigate the hit you take when starting to invest?

I am particularly interested, of course, in what my fellow Seattleites/Washingtonians have to say!

Thanks All,
Matt

Post: Markets which don't offer good income producing rentals

Matt A.Posted
  • Homeowner
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 1

Will Spruill

Have you dealt with other properties South of us or are you trying to look in W Seattle?

Post: Markets which don't offer good income producing rentals

Matt A.Posted
  • Homeowner
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 1

thanks Brandon
Matt

Post: Markets which don't offer good income producing rentals

Matt A.Posted
  • Homeowner
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by Matt Kittleson:
That article is terrible for a variety of reasons and I think it is not the case that this area has no income producing rentals. They are harder to find and not getting easier lately with inventory down but they are out there.

That being said I am considering other markets and the reason for that is that to achieve similar cash returns here, requires more cash to get in. For what I put down on my last house, there are markets where I could own the house outright and make equivilent cash flow.

I would never invest in an actual Seattle home because they will never cash flow, but if you look on the outskirts, like you mention Renton you'd probably be able to find some decent things.

We live in the southernmost area of the city limits (in West Seattle) so Renton/Burien/Des Moines/Kent are not unreasonble.

I would like my first property to have immediate positive cash flow, and learning the best area from local investors like yourselves is a big help.

Post: Markets which don't offer good income producing rentals

Matt A.Posted
  • Homeowner
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by Brandon Turner:
Hey Matt Andersen yeah, I agree with the premise of the article, that prices in Seattle are really high for cash flow reasons. But probably not all areas. I know you can drive with a few hours and be just fine (I'm 2 hours from you and stuff is cheap down here - but it's also low income.) Anyways, I think yes, cash flow is harder to find up there, but the chance for appreciation is greater. SO keep that in mind! Not sure if it helps at all, but let me know if I can be of any assistance!

Thanks Brandon.
I wish I could have made the Tacoma meetup but it was short notice for me and I had work. I should have joined BP before my last schedule was made!

Hopefully there will be one in the future, perhaps in Seattle/Bellevue????

We get Grays Harbor patients at my hospital regulalry, so let me say, I, er, know the population..... :)

Post: Markets which don't offer good income producing rentals

Matt A.Posted
  • Homeowner
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 1

Nope that tag didn't work!
@Tony Khuu

Did this work?

Post: Markets which don't offer good income producing rentals

Matt A.Posted
  • Homeowner
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by Tony Khuu:
Hi Matt,

Seattle is a great place to buy and hold.. Prices for housing in the area is going up. I hear many hedge fund managers are buying 3bd 2br housing at or above market price for holding... To sell later when prices of houses goes up. To reach 1% or above rule for cash-flow for single-family homes may not be the point of focus for highest profit, rather the flipping of the house would be the profit.

It is true, other areas in the country have better cash-flow return (Cleveland, Detroit).. However some do exist within Washington... If you are looking towards cheap properties and cash-flow rentals; I hear further South is good. Ie. 2-3 hours South of Seattle has 40k-60k 4plexes (msg me for more info). These individuals probably rely on government subsidies to make rent, and there is lots of property management involved.. Good tenants can be hard to find. Talk to @Brandon Turner to find more about cash-flow producing properties, and the amount of property management it entails..

Tony

Tony Khuu, (hope I'm using that tag correctly), we are looking at long term appreciation w/ cash flow and less so at immediate profit. It seems that there are plenty of areas where immediate monthly flow is impossible.

Looking at this downtown listing that was recently posted on this site:
http://prevailpm.vflyer.com/home/flyer/home/230314001

449k for a duplex w/ $2062 in total monthly rents!

Since we are learning, we want to invest in local properties in our area that we can manage. After we get comfortable with how management works we'd be willing to farm it out.

Thanks for your information!

Matt