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All Forum Posts by: Matt Sterling

Matt Sterling has started 8 posts and replied 45 times.

Post: Would you buy an 8 unit with a sex offender as a tenant?

Matt SterlingPosted
  • Investor
  • Brownstown, IN
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 10

Thanks for all the feedback.  It seem's pretty  mixed, most lean towards buying.  Realtor called and said someone made an offer today.  So a good chance I wouldn't even be getting as good as a deal I had hoped.  I think I'm going to pass. 

Post: Would you buy an 8 unit with a sex offender as a tenant?

Matt SterlingPosted
  • Investor
  • Brownstown, IN
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Colin Smith:

If the numbers work, I wouldn't pass on the deal. If the guy has been a great tenant for the past couple years and has had no other violations then I wouldn't be concerned about it. I do believe that some people need help and people who have been convicted as a sex offender is required to take classes and do therapy. That gives them the help they need. I am not always saying that it works, but it certainly gives some people a second shot at life. 

On the other hand, because it is a multi unit building, I do believe that could make it hard to rent out to others with children and would not renew his lease when it expires.

 I definately would not be renewing his lease when it came up. 

Post: Would you buy an 8 unit with a sex offender as a tenant?

Matt SterlingPosted
  • Investor
  • Brownstown, IN
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Jon Behlke:

@Matt Sterling

Honest question for you, and you don't have to answer it publicly, but it's more of something for you to think about.

Apparently the seller is clearly ok with this sex offender renting here.  Is your conscience really any more/less clear if this man commits another crime between now and February?  What if, upon further investigation, you found a way to get him out before February, or even found a creative way to have him leave of his own accord, (paying him to leave, neighborhood pressure to leave, etc.) but you chose to wait as long as possible in order to have a "clear conscience?" 

I think if I were in your shoes, which I clearly am not, I would move on this property if the numbers make sense, knowing that I would do more to attempt to protect those other tenants than the current landlord is willing to do.

 Yeah I don't know. I guess if I did buy it, it's not like I'm enabling him.  Even if I got him out, he is still just as likely to re-offend wherever he goes as he would on my property.  It's not like I'm doing the public much of a service in the grand scheme of things, he is just someone else's problem.  I'm must pretty sure I would feel way worse if it was going on on my property rather than it happening a mile away on someone else's.   

Post: Would you buy an 8 unit with a sex offender as a tenant?

Matt SterlingPosted
  • Investor
  • Brownstown, IN
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Sandy Salazar:
Of the numbers make sense but it, it's always easier to find another tenant than to find another profitable property.

I thought sex offenders are not allowed to be near children? Is that something you can use to have him removed? Regardless of who was there first, isn't it the responsibility of the sex offender to inform everyone near him of his status and in not doing so constitute a violation? I'm sure that he's on probation for being released early, I would look at that more carefully.

 He has registered and I was told he is completely compliant in regards to the law. 

Post: Would you buy an 8 unit with a sex offender as a tenant?

Matt SterlingPosted
  • Investor
  • Brownstown, IN
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 10

What about playing it slow and hopefully getting closer to Feb?  My realtor is also the listing agent, I assume he can legally tell me when there is another offer and maybe I could make an offer at that time.  

Post: Would you buy an 8 unit with a sex offender as a tenant?

Matt SterlingPosted
  • Investor
  • Brownstown, IN
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Steve Babiak:
Originally posted by @Matt Sterling:
Originally posted by @Troy Sheets:

...

 There are children in the complex.  The day I looked at it, I actually seen the guy.  A young girl was around him and they were looking at a kitten.

Do you know if the sex offender lived there first, or the tenant with child? Because if sex offender was first, that shows some people don't even check for that. If the girl's parent was first, she might not be allowed near him if the parents knew. 

 I don't know, it's completely possible that this girl was his new fiance's daughter.  

Post: Would you buy an 8 unit with a sex offender as a tenant?

Matt SterlingPosted
  • Investor
  • Brownstown, IN
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Troy Sheets:

Wow, that's a tough one. I'd talk to a lawyer to see what your liability is if he were to molest another child in your complex. I know we, as landlords, aren't the police, but I'm not sure I could live with myself if it happened on my watch. Are there children in the other units? Let us know what you decide and any info you learn. I'd have to guess you're not on the hook liability-wise but still...yuck. 

 There are children in the complex.  The day I looked at it, I actually seen the guy.  A young girl was around him and they were looking at a kitten.

Post: Would you buy an 8 unit with a sex offender as a tenant?

Matt SterlingPosted
  • Investor
  • Brownstown, IN
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 10

I was all set to make an offer on a 8 unit(4 modular duplexes) last Monday 'til I found out there was a sex offender in one of the units Sunday night.  I looked up his court case and found out it was for 4-5 years of molestation of his girlfriend's daughter from the ages of 6 to 10.  He appealed his sentencing and this quote came up in that case.  "In addition, the trial court noted several other aggravating factors, including xxxxxx‟s failure to successfully complete probation, his pattern of physical abuse toward women, his history of substance abuse, evidence of multiple instances of molestation toward the victim, and his violation of a position of trust."

He was sentenced to 5 years, somehow he only served 1 and got out.  The property manager tells my realtor on Monday that he told them it was a young girlfriend situation and that is why he is on the registry, I told them that it was bull and the real reason he was on there.  The property manager says he has been a good tenant for 2 years and is now engaged and goes to classes and is trying to get his life back together.  

His lease isn't up til February.  I haven't seen his application and see if he lied on it when talking about the sex offender status or he just told "his story" to the property manager and there isn't a record of him lying. 

It is currently bank-owned and we asked the bank if they would consider an offer contingent on them removing him before closing but they got back to us today saying they would not.  So here I am now.   

Post: New Duplex/Triplex cost

Matt SterlingPosted
  • Investor
  • Brownstown, IN
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Karen Margrave:

Sounds like there might be some potential there, depending on costs. On the lots you are looking at, are there utilities to the property? Has the property ever been developed? (If so, sometimes you can get credit back on some of the fees) How big is the parcel? Zoning? These are all things you want to look at. 

Good luck. 

 A house used to be on this lot.  My parents bought it in 05 and tore down the house.  It is in front of their business.  It is .43 acres.  Not sure about zoning, this is a small town and on the property cards nothing is listed for zoning for any property. They are all just blank. I don't foresee any issue on getting approval to put a duplex or tri there though. Thanks

Post: New Duplex/Triplex cost

Matt SterlingPosted
  • Investor
  • Brownstown, IN
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Karen Margrave:

@Matt Sterling  Then you definitely need to talk to someone able to put all the pieces together for you, and find out what it will cost you. The truth is, in a market that is tight, and when you aren't an agent, or contractor, or able to bring something like that to the table, then you need to have everything else work out perfectly in order for it to make sense. 

Also, you didn't mention if you were holding and renting them or ? Also, what are they getting for rents in those units that are for sale? 

If you're the only game in town as far as new construction, your units obviously willl be more in demand. They have new everything, plus will be much more energy efficient than the older units, etc. allowing you to ask higher rents. 

 I would be holding them and renting them.  Rents in those units I were referring to are going for 600.  There are units in my town going for 750 though yearly and 815 month to month.  Those seem high though, I haven't seen inside those units to see exactly what they offer.  I would have the only new construction duplexes in my town for the time being.  Hopefully I can get a realistic price from a GC or two this week.