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All Forum Posts by: Mason Liu

Mason Liu has started 3 posts and replied 127 times.

Post: Lenders with low down payment and reasonable rates

Mason LiuPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Boynton Beach, FL
  • Posts 127
  • Votes 80

At the moment, not really a thing due to current bond yields and hence current market rates. A conventional loan backed by Fannie/Freddie is the cheapest loan out there and is closer to 7% at the moment.

Only way around this is if you find a seller who is willing to seller finance at sub 6%, or a subject-to deal where you take on an existing loan.

Post: Where to put my eggs?

Mason LiuPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Boynton Beach, FL
  • Posts 127
  • Votes 80

Hey Alban,

If I'm interpreting your goals correctly in terms of magnitude, the most important goal is to set yourself up for financial success in the long run, with the secondary goal being allowing your partner to quit her W2 with cash flow from real estate / investments.

If this is the case, and both you and your partner are making good money and probably saving good money on a month to month basis, you have the ability to take on more risk than others. Risk tolerance is subjective of course, and you and your partner would have to take that into consideration, but theoretically the both of you are in the position to take on more risk.

Next thing to consider is the amount of time/sweat equity you want to put into this investment. You could go from buying a complete fixer upper for 600k that has the potential to be worth 1MM++ with 250k of renovations and 6 months of work, but is that something you and your partner are willing to do? Alternatively, you can buy something more turnkey for 850k that is probably worth 850k at the moment. Are you willing to short term rent to generate more income? All things to consider.

That being said, I think that regardless of the decision you make, making sure you do keep at the very least 6 months of reserves for CAPEX / Maintenance is important, maybe even more if you're buying a distressed property. From that standpoint, my general advice would be that regardless of purchase price (500k or 850k), as long as you buy a property in an area with tenant friendly laws, decent rent and price appreciation over time, and have reason to believe those two factors will continue due to macroeconomic factors, you're probably not going to go wrong either way. Nothing wrong with starting with a slightly smaller property to get comfortable with real estate investor / landlord / project manager for a rehab.

Post: How to fund large rehab

Mason LiuPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Boynton Beach, FL
  • Posts 127
  • Votes 80

Hey Andrew,

Firstly, congratulations on already having a 4 unit!

In terms of this new property, lets assume you purchase it for $675k, and it costs $250k to rehab for an all in cost of $925k. Lets also assume that you are on the lower end of the comps of $1.1mm after repair value. There is roughly $175k of equity to be had in this instance, all things being equal, which is roughly 18% equity. Not bad, especially for house hack purchased on the open market.

In terms of financing, if you are already going to get a FHA loan, I'd say just stick with rehabbing the units enough to get them rented out, and then work each unit one by one (starting with the one you are living in). Whenever a tenant moves out, renovate that one to better than market standards, and rent out at market rents. Sure this process is slower, but it is not capital intensive and can be argued is a lot less risky. Since you'll be doing each unit one by one, you can utilize interest free credit cards as long as you have a clearly defined payment plan to avoid high interest costs

HML might be tough since there isn't really enough equity in the deal for it to be worth the high financing costs (today's rates are roughly 10-12% + 2-3 points upfront from what I've seen). PML may be a choice if you can secure private investor money for a lower cost. I still think doing it one by one and taking it slow is the best strategy in this regard.

Post: Syndication & Private REIT Key Terms & Definitions (Glossary)

Mason LiuPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Boynton Beach, FL
  • Posts 127
  • Votes 80

Hey All, 

Wanted to provide a quick glossary of key terms relevant to Real Estate Syndication deals and their definitions. These are important to understand when evaluating the high level details of a syndication deal from the stancepoint of a LP (Limited Partner AKA passive investor). Prior to me starting my current job which is heavily involved in evaluating syndication deals, I knew little to none of these terms, so I figure it may help some people out!

General Partner (GP): The manager responsible for running an investment fund. If you created your own syndication, you are the GP.

Limited Partner (LP): An investor who contributes capital to a fund but has limited involvement in its management. If you invest in someone else's syndication, you are a LP

Accredited Investor (AI): An individual or entity that meets specific financial criteria, allowing them to participate in certain investment opportunities, often with higher risk and potential returns. Refer to this link directly from the SEC on eligibility

Qualified Purchaser (QP) : A specific type of accredited investor who meets additional financial thresholds, enabling them to invest in private funds and other restricted investment vehicles. This link provides an overview of the QP definition

Management Fee: A fee charged by the fund manager to cover operational and administrative expenses associated with managing an investment fund. Typically we can see Private REITS charge anywhere between 1-2.5% for a management fee.

Preferred Return: A predetermined minimum return on investment that limited partners (LPs) receive before the general partner can share in the profits. For example, if the preferred return is 8%, the GPs cannot collect any incentive fee until the LPs get 8%.

Incentive Fee: Also known as a performance fee or carried interest, it is a share of the profits earned by the general partner of an investment fund, typically calculated as a percentage of the fund's profits. For example, if the inventive fee is "12.5% over 8% preferred return", that means that once the fund has achieved an 8% return for the LPs, any subsequent profit can be shared by the GPs (they will get 12.5% of all subsequent profits).

Catch-up Fee: A provision in a fund's structure that allows the general partner to receive a higher share of profits after the limited partners have received a specified return. This favors GPs if the fund achieves the preferred return for the LPs. For example, if the incentive fee and preferred return are 12.5% over 8%, but there is a catch-up fee of 100% until the GP gets 8% return, this means that once the LPs get 8% from the fund, they will not get any additional profits until the GPs get 8% as well since they have a catch-up provision of 100% until 8%. After that, they get 12.5% of profits while LPs get 87.5%.

Clawback Provision: A contractual arrangement allowing the general partner to reclaim distributed profits from limited partners in specific circumstances. It allows the general partner to reclaim previously distributed profits from the limited partners under certain circumstances. Typically, a clawback provision comes into effect when the fund's overall performance falls short of meeting certain predetermined benchmarks or when there is an overpayment of carried interest to the general partner. IE: If a fund has a minimum performance requirement of 8% IRR and a incentive fee of 20%, but only achieved a 6% IRR, they GPs would not be entitled to 20% of profits and would have to give a portion of it back to the LPs. This aligns GPs and LPs.

    Hurdle Rate: The minimum rate of return that an investment must exceed before the general partner can receive incentive fees. Also knowns as Preferred Return, but important to know as there is a Soft & Hard Hurdle.

    Soft Hurdle: A hurdle rate that only applies to a portion of the fund's profits, typically calculated after the preferred return has been achieved. IE: for 12.5% over 8%, GPs only get 12.5% of profits , not including any of the 8% that the LPs received first.

    Hard Hurdle: A hurdle rate that applies to the entire fund's profits, including both the preferred return and the general partner's share. This is more favorable to GPs and less so to LPs.

    Placement Fee: A fee charged by the fund manager to compensate brokers or placement agents for securing capital commitments from investors. Can range from 0-5%.

    Liquidity: The ease with which an investment can be converted into cash without significantly affecting its price. If a fund term is 10 years, you may not have liquidity beyond the distributions you get paid until the end of the term.

    Onshore and Offshore Funding: Refers to the location of the investment fund and its investors. Onshore funding involves investors and funds domiciled within the same country, while offshore funding involves investors and funds based in different countries. You'll see this in larger private REITs where they stipulate if they allow offshore

    Distributions: Payments made to investors from the profits generated by the investment fund. Important to note that REIT distributions are often tax-advantaged due to REIT status and/or also return of capital (ROC)

    Fund Term: The specified duration or lifespan of an investment fund, typically ranging from several years to a decade or more. Also important to read the fund details as sometimes GPs will include a provision that allows them to extend at their discretion for a certain number of years.

    Target Fund Size: The predetermined amount of capital that the fund aims to raise from investors.

    General Partner Commitment: The capital contribution made by the general partner to the investment fund, demonstrating their alignment of interest with limited partners. It is important to note whether the GPs are substantially committed as this shows they have skin in the game as well.

    IRR (Internal Rate of Return): A measure used to evaluate the profitability of an investment by calculating the discount rate that equates the present value of cash inflows and outflows. In short, it is a measure of profitability...the higher the better. You can look at previous funds from the GPs and evaluate their IRRs to see what type of return they have been able to achieve. Also important to note whether the IRR is net or

    MOIC (Multiple on Invested Capital): The ratio of the total distributions received by investors, including at fund termination, to the total capital they initially invested. This is more common in Private Equity but can show up in some Private REIT deals.

    DPI (Distributions to Paid-In Capital): A metric that shows the proportion of capital that has been returned to investors relative to the capital they have contributed. This is more common in Private Equity.

    TVPI (Total Value to Paid-In Capital): The ratio of the total value of the fund's investments plus any remaining unrealized value to the capital contributed by investors. This is more common in Private Equity.

    RVPI (Residual Value to Paid-In Capital): The ratio of the unrealized value of the fund's investments to the capital contributed by investors. This is more common in Private Equity deals.

      I hope this glossary helps! Let me know if you'd like clarification on any term or definition, or would just like to talk shop on Private REITs (or any alternative investment for that matter).

      Post: Mortgage refinancing advice

      Mason LiuPosted
      • Financial Advisor
      • Boynton Beach, FL
      • Posts 127
      • Votes 80

      Hey Manan,

      First off, congratulations on having a rental property with roughly $515k in equity, that is awesome!

      Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried about your higher rate payment as it is only on a 35k balance. I'm sure the cash flow from your home covers the monthly $909 payment and more. You could potentially allocate more of the cash flow towards debt paydown if you had nowhere else to allocate cash to that will yield higher than a 7% rate of return.


      Now I think the bigger question you may want to ask if you do decide to do a cash out refinance is where you will invest that capital. If you can find a truly good deal, it would make sense to get a cash out refinance even though you'll have closing costs and pay a higher cost of capital in today's environment. If you can't find that opportunity at the moment, hold on to that cash, pay down your current 35k balance faster, and wait till you are in a position to get a better deal. Hope this helps!

      Post: Would you make more Money with BRRR or Stock market

      Mason LiuPosted
      • Financial Advisor
      • Boynton Beach, FL
      • Posts 127
      • Votes 80

      So let me chime in with a slightly different perspective (my background is in Finance, but mainly focused in alternative investments including real estate).

      I don't believe it is a fair comparison to say if Stock Market returns are better or worse than BRRRR. Firstly, the stock market is not an investment, it is a marketplace in which you can purchase any publically listed equity / ETF / mutual fund position. You'd need to identify what specifically in the stock market you are investing in. For example, the S&P500 market index has gained roughly 11.82% annualized since 1928. The DJIA market Index gained roughly 5.42% annualized since inception in 1896. Point being, what you invest in in the stock market can vary drastically. You could have went all in on just Apple stock for 10 years and your annualized compound return would have been 28.76%.

      In this context, you asked how the stock market compares against "BRRRR", which is a real estate investment strategy, not an actual investment. If you're talking about the actual investment, you'd have to be referring to an actual property, whether single family/multifamily/commercial etc. Once you identify a property you need to 1) acquire at a discount 2) value add via rehab 3)rent out 3)refinance 4) continue to manage the property. Assuming all are done, you'd get a good rate of return for your sweat equity and ability to find a good deal. However, this can vary drastically depending on the operator, as well as the amount of leverage that is used. The rate of return varies drastically upon if you put 5% down vs 20% down, given the same deal.

      All is to say there is no right or wrong answer because in this context the question is too vague. You can find a single stock holding that has outperformed 99% of all real estate deals in the population over the last 10 years, and you can also find a real estate deal (whether BRRRR or not) that has outperformend 99% of all stocks. You have to get a bit more granular. Also, investing in a stock/ETF/fund is truly passive, whereas a BRRRR deal is active, so you should expect a premium in the form of additional return for your efforts.

      Hope this helps.

      Post: The first step...

      Mason LiuPosted
      • Financial Advisor
      • Boynton Beach, FL
      • Posts 127
      • Votes 80

      Hey Tara,

      Definitely echo the sentiments on not falling into "analysis paralysis". However, I do think you need to get more granular on what you are looking to achieve. What is your investment objective (Cash flow or appreciation or both?) Are you willing to purchase value add opportunities? Are you looking to live in this home and house hack or is this a rental? What type of rental?

      Everyone wants to get a "bargain" on the market, and any experience real estate agent will probably tell you you're looking for something that every other client is looking for. If you provide a defined buying criteria to your agent, they will be much more willing to send you specific properties that may fit that criteria.

      Post: What’s the average profit on a wholetail deal?

      Mason LiuPosted
      • Financial Advisor
      • Boynton Beach, FL
      • Posts 127
      • Votes 80

      This will depend widely upon many factors, including the price you acquired the deal at, the current market and lending conditions, ability to list and market the property effectively etc.

      Post: Palm Beach County agents looking for investors to buy properties we have contracts on

      Mason LiuPosted
      • Financial Advisor
      • Boynton Beach, FL
      • Posts 127
      • Votes 80

      Hey Tony,

      I'm local in Palm Beach county as well, would be great to connect!

      Post: Take Profits or Keep Holding?

      Mason LiuPosted
      • Financial Advisor
      • Boynton Beach, FL
      • Posts 127
      • Votes 80

      Here are some considerations I would make:

      1. Do you enjoy being a landlord?

      2. What location are these properties in? Do you expect continued rent growth and appreciation due to immigration patterns + city expansion?

      3. Can you identify a better investment opportunity or store of money if you were to sell? Would you be able to keep these properties and complete a cash out refi to purchase into any new investment opportunity?

      4. Closing costs of selling properties + closing costs of any new acquisition will eat in your bottom line. Refinances will as well, but to a lesser extent.


      Personally, I would try and keep the properties as long as 1 and 2 are a yes.