All Forum Posts by: Logan Hand

@John Thedford 

When you use the word "I believe.... then follow it with is a fact" those things contradict themselves and makes you sound dumb. I believe its a fact that jesus turned water into wine. 

Again these are what one side says versus the other which serves no purpose on an already settled case. 

You need to quit making assumptions about people man its terrible that you treat people like criminals and you dont even know anything about me. 

I am not friends with the person your referencing as my criminal friend. I actually despise him. If you want to treat someone like a criminal you should treat him that way because he is one and does dirty business. Im not him, nor did I have anything to do with anything he does or did. Im with you this guy is one of the worst out there... and if you want to go after someone he should be the one. He conned me and I was one of his victims. Im sure you believe its me, but I would bet every nickel I have on that statement. 

I will have no problem with whatever the DBPR decides to do and always cooperate fully as I have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide. 

I also was costed money, and we delivered our funds directly into escrow ready willing and able to close on time. no money would have been costed if everything would have closed as planned. It didnt. 

Additionally your recommendation of the attorney for him is like the most expensive attorney in town, so if it costed him money to the tune of $500 an hour wouldn't that partially be your fault?? 

He had repercussions just like I did and it cost us both money, time, and stress

I literally copy and pasted the definition of NOlle PROSSE directly from the dictionary online. Make of it whatever you wish thats what it means. 

I did not commit any of the things that you allege regardless of you thinking so.

I wish you luck @John Thedford I think its best we both drop this and move on its not productive at all.. 

If your so passionate about policing and enforcing what you think are the rules? Why not go join the DBPR and round up all the bandits out there. 

Why not get your law degree and go become an attorney?

Have a good day. 

Thanks @Alisha D. for your input. It is not illegal to assign contracts in florida. 

I like being an investor and never want to be a realtor or represent buyers and sellers nor do I ever rep buyers and sellers.

I will make this as short as possible. 

There are a lot of moving parts and details to this case which we could go back and forth on but there is really no point in doing so. You have your opinions and I have mine. I will say you don't know the whole story although you think that you do, but thats fine. 

WHY NOT PUSH THE CASE? 

- For starters my attorney was...... Not very organized would be the best description. I didn't even know about most of the things we had to respond to until like a few days before the deadline. Which made me very furious and irritated. So please don't assume Im just sitting there not responding to things. This was a lesson I had to learn about selecting attorneys going forward. 

- I was not even slightly concerned about your alleged "overwhelming" evidence. I was concerned with my time, productivity and mental state of mind having to constantly check in on this case moving forward or whats going on. 

- After going back and forth several times which lasted about 6 months. I had lost interest in the potential profit I could have made from the property and knew it was going to take way too long to get anywhere with this. 

- The other side wanted to do a full litigation that could last well over a year possibly more, and I simply don't have time to be wasting on one single house. thats already in the past. 

- Its smarter to focus the time and energy AND MONEY into buying more property, managing my buildings, and not paying some over bloated hourly rates. 

- I also thought that there was no way I stood anything to gain other than getting my attorneys fees paid for. I dont rationally think that a judge/jury would rule to force an older adult man to sell me their home, when they look at my 25 year old self. Logically.... Its not gonna happen regardless of my contractual rights. So essentially I would be going down a year long journey to gain absolutely nothing??

Therefore everyone parted ways as I make all my decisions with rational and logical decision making. 

Again alot whats being discussed here by other party is assumptions/thoughts/opinions not ACTUAL material Facts. 

knows of me, and has never met me never seen me in person never had coffee or lunch with me and has never even called me. 

Those are reasons why we all settled the case. 

Thanks to all that are reading this or even somewhat supportive. 

This was the first time I have been through a lawsuit, and looking back Im not sure its something that I would do again given the same situation. I learned a lot and this provided a phenomenal learning experience. 

Additionally I am in a much different chapter in my investing career focused on bigger and better things. 

thanks

@John Thedford 

Thats great and all. But I have not done "brokering without a license" nor have I been convicted as such. Just because you think it does not make it a material FACT. These are again your opinions, thoughts, and interpretations. 

We buy houses and buildings all the time with our own capital and our private investor partners. 

To be clear your opinions about brokering without a license does not mean that I am one of "those people" you reference. Maybe you dont mean to say that, but it sure does seem and sound that way.  

regarding "Nolle Pros"

nolle prosequi

(no-lay pro-say-kwee) n. Latin for "we shall no longer prosecute," which is a declaration made to the judge by a prosecutor ina criminal case (or by a plaintiff in a civil lawsuit) either before or during trial, meaning the case against the defendant is beingdropped. The statement is an admission that the charges cannot be proved, that evidence has demonstrated eitherinnocence or a fatal flaw in the prosecution's claim, or the district attorney has become convinced the accused is innocent.

Considering 4 main factors

1). You are the one that has reported me both times. The first result was Nolle Pros and they sent me a letter saying they have determined I was innocent and did nothing wrong it was dismissed. 

2). Nobody else in the history of my career has ever reported me for ANYTHING. 

3). The second report which again you reported for something I didnt do as explained in previous post. That report has been sitting at "legally sufficient" since April of 2017. Every time I call and ask about the status they say the attorney hasnt even opened the file yet, and everyone's case after fact finding goes to "legally sufficient" status until the attorney looks at the file. 

4). anyone can complain, its free to do and all cases must be reviewed and go through the incredibly long process. 

So if you have a passion about teaching the public regarding this particular small topic, then you should know the exact process of what happens. 

I think its a fair assumption based on logical thinking that you have an issue with people that you THINK are doing something that you DONT like. Instead of approaching them and seeing what type of person they are and learning about their business you just assume and spread words about themselves and their livelihood. 

I think your trying to fight a battle that you cant win and its really a terrible use of your time, especially when the own state department is siding against your beliefs. 

Have a great weekend. Im putting all this behind me. I have already moved away from Fort Myers so you don't have to worry about running into me. 

Hello Everyone. I have been wanting to chime in here for a while, but was waiting for the legal proceedings to take its course. This case was settled and I think now perhaps I will say a few things: 

For starters I have been Investing In real estate for just under 3 years now and have invested in over 65 houses, bought two apartment buildings and currently own over 30 apartments at 25 years old. I started with nothing, and I am NOT even close to this VIllanous person being described here. This is the first and only time I have ever been in a lawsuit. 

I have fought tooth and nail for everything I have accomplished. 

@John Thedford first off THANK YOU for the learning experience.

You know, I have held a lot of hatred in my heart towards you for quite some time now, but right here and right now Im going to let it go and move on. I can respect your passion for the field, but I just don't understand why you spend so much time trying to be a police officer instead of being productive. 

I find it absolutely baffling that you know of me and have an intimate knowledge of this case because you played a role in it AND were named several times in its documents, but yet you never once have picked up the phone to call me, have coffee, network, or go to lunch? Fort Myers is a small town and almost all the investors know each other. I know some of the best investors in this town and they don't think very highly of you.... Nor do people really even know who you are. 

Instead you choose to make assumptions and make other peoples business look bad by saying certain things like "Fraud" and "never planning on purchasing the home." You know nothing about myself or the access to capital that I have. I have plenty of private money investors that invest with me in partnership to buy houses AND commercial assets. NO, I don't mean investors as in a "buyers list" I mean literally liquid capital provided for me to find suitable investments with. 

These are completely false, and IMO are fraudulent claims about one of my companies. I never place a property under contract that I don't feel completely comfortable closing on with our own capital or my partners. 

I mean how would you feel if someone just made a post that negatively effected your business? Say I made an assumption about you and just put it out there so every time someone googled your name it pulled up? 

As far as what you have to say about assignment of contracts..... For starters you and EVERYONE OUT THERE that maybe listens to you need to realize something. @John Thedford is not an attorney and even if he was what he puts out online is merely his INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE LAW MEANS. 

Just because he says something is right or wrong does not make it ACTUALLY THAT WAY. Wether you like it or not THESE ARE JUST YOUR OPINIONS regarding the legality of assignment of contracts/"Wholesaling". You or an attorney (which your not)  would have to PROVE without reasonable doubt to a judge/jury that they should INTERPRET the law the same way that you do. 

Everyone should educate themselves on the business of Investing in Real Estate and how its done, but they should also have the choice if they want to be a licensed realtor or not. You don't need to use your scare tactics to make people think they need to get a license. Getting a license is a choice. 

Additionally. I know that YOU are the one that reported me to the DBPR not only once (anonymously) which you left a trace like a fool, but twice! Lets make something crystal clear. The first time the DBPR came back to me after I cooperated fully and RELEASED ME FROM ALL CLAIMS, DROPPING THE COMPLAINT THAT YOU FILED. STATING I DID NOTHING WRONG and was within my rights. 

So what was I supposed to "Learn from the first time" when the own state department is telling me Im not doing anything wrong. 

The second time you coached the seller on how to file to the DBPR and basically wrote the whole entire complaint for them. Now to be clear this is not a fact, but a very calculated assumption, because the seller all of a sudden is able to specifically state florida statutes down to the decimal point........... 

Come on man we aren't idiots we know you went to him and walked him through the whole thing. 

AND AGAIN.... DBPR comes back, I cooperate give them everything they request and they then deem that everything I was within my rights AGAIN. 

If you are going to educate people on the process you should know the actual process. 

When someone gets reported.... WHICH IS FREE TO DO, there is a person that basically fact finds and collects data. After that all the data is placed on one of only 2 state attorneys desks at the DBPR for processing. 

EVERY PERSONS COMPLAINT STATUS GOES TO ""legally sufficient" as it sits on the attorneys desk since they are back logged for a very long time. 

You should also know the DBPR purpose is focused on EDUCATION, not Prosecution. They simply want to let people know if they are making a mistake, and not try to punish them. 

You act like people should be hung up in the city streets. 

TWO last points before I sign off here. 

1). You talk about my attorney and how he previously was reprimanded by the BAR

- Thats his problem and it may be true, it shouldn't reflect anything to do with me. I will say I learned a lesson about being cheap with my attorney. 

No offense man but your the one pointing the finger at other people, yet you turn around and lend money as an HML to a CONVICTED WHITE COLLAR CRIMINAL THAT ACTUALLY SERVED TIME. I wont name names, but if you seriously don't know that one of your biggest borrowers in town served time for Mortgage fraud, you should probably do some research on who you are lending to. 

I think its sort of wrong to run around and say all these other people are bad, yet your lending money to actual bad people? 

2). Your main argument is the marketing of the property? 

- Again this is something left open for interpretation. I never marketed this property nor did I ever need to in order to have the ability to close the transaction. In this case what I know you are going to refer to is someone (I know you know who) fraudulently claimed they were interested in buying me out of my contract rights, and then put it all over craigslist without my knowledge, consent or them having any right to do so. 

I want you to understand that. Maybe you believe me maybe you don't. I would be happy to chat in person or discuss anything you wish. 

You also hide behind a fake alias on Craigslist called "JIMMY B" when your name is John Thedford. I imagine there could be some grey areas having a license and code of ethics yet posing to be someone that you are not online while trying to buy real estate? 

You have thousands of comments on here yet no profile photo? What are you hiding from John? Are you just not that confident in yourself that you have to hide behind computer screens and no profile pics? 

I dont hide. I have a large social media following on instagram a very popular Real Estate Podcast and you can find me wherever you wish. 

Any way. I wont be responding to any comments made after this so you minus well not waste your time. 

You can call me anytime, email me or DM me. 

I wish you the best of luck and I hope you have a great prosperous life that brings you happiness and Joy. 

I think for the both of us, its probably best that this feed gets deleted. Its unnecessary for all of this between both of us. 

Plus if you ever want to lend money to someone that actually isnt a criminal maybe I could be a customer, although I dont need your money. 

Cheers and best of success to everyone. Don't let anyone push you around or try to ruin your business. Bury them in production and Multiply your net worth. 

You can take whatever you want from me, but you can never take my ability to make it all back. 

I have faced much bigger challenges than @John Thedford and will continue to crush them and learn from them. 

@Brit Foshee @Luke Rainone @Andrew Michael @Noel Fernandez @Evan Poole @George Temes 

Hey Guys. 

I am wondering if anyone on here that owns the "Find Motivated Sellers Now" Software from Kent Clothier? 

If so I was wondering if you would be willing to supply me with a list for my area of the vacant properties. Instead of me buying the software it seems more intelligent to just pay one of the users for a list. 

Let me know. Thank you 

Hey everyone. 

I have a quick questions. Does someone out there have the Kent Clothier Vacant property software. 

I am interested in possibly paying someone for a list of those properties in my particular area instead of having to buy the whole software? 

If someone on here has it and would be willing to price me out a list that would be amazing. 

thanks

LOL @Bryce Davis idk who you are.... but I like your style. Straight shooter for real! and I agree

I have wholesaled many properties here in my area and never had a problem....

HOWEVER in my area our contract for the state of Florida has an entire clause that is dedicated to assignability. Now I know in this case it wasnt an assignment. Furthermore, My title company does not allow "Flow through" double closes, so we cant use the funds from back end buyer to close on the A-B transaction. We will just use Transactional financing in order to do a true close on the front end, and then sell within hours on the back end. Thats the true way to do it and leaves way less room for error. 

We typically just use assignments, but the KEY to wholesaling in my opinion is managing the sellers expectations and crystal clear communication. Managing the seller is the biggest part of the equation. 

Man you guys are super helpful!! 

@Justin Silverio Where do you get your Tax defaults list from? 

thanks 

this is great information! 

Much of our data/lists actually comes from services that charge monthly fees for downloads, so I am currently not purchasing lists. 

Do you have a list provider that you would recommend? and what target lists do you see most people going after and having success with.