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All Forum Posts by: Logan Allec

Logan Allec has started 69 posts and replied 1233 times.

Post: New investor from Central California, Turlock!

Logan AllecPosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,264
  • Votes 977

Welcome, @Kevin Moules, from a fellow index fund + real estate combo investor!

Post: Super Newb from Tustin, CA

Logan AllecPosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,264
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Welcome, @Nick Montelli.  I used to live in Tustin (Walnut and Tustin Ranch Rd).  I miss Orange County!

Post: Who claims income w/ 50% ownership

Logan AllecPosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
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@Andy R. You may very well have a partnership...

Post: tax allocation to land vs. apt buildings

Logan AllecPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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@Bob Flynn

@Bob FlynnWell, you did pay something for the land.  I doubt the IRS would agree with you that you "got the land for less than nothing."  If you purchased a property, building and land, at a discount, they would likely view you as purchasing at the same discount for both the land and the building.

Have you asked your CPA why they made the 25% / 75% allocation like they did?  Most firms will just rely on the assessor's ratio between land and improvements because it's quick and easy.

But of course that's not the only way.

Are there any recent sales of comparable undeveloped land in the area?  This is a pretty good fact to support the value of the land.

Here are some excerpts from a couple Tax Court cases on this topic.  I am not saying these cases are in any way are applicable to your situation, but I am rather just providing them as information so you can see how Tax Court judges think through this (emphasis mine).

Offshore Operations Trust (various factors considered)

We must first determine a proper valuation for the three story mill-type building previously located at 33 University Road, Cambridge, Massachusetts. The building lot was some 51,000 square feet in area. The property was purchased by Dr. Baird for $300,000 in January 1964 pursuant to the terms of an option granted him in May of 1955. At the time of the purchase $50,000 was allocated as the share of the purchase price attributable to the land and $250,000 was allocated to the building.

Dr. Baird testified that his allocation was and is consistent with the regulations, specifically section 1.167(a)-5. He based his allocation on two premises: First, that his determination was consistent with the relative values placed on the land and building by the tax assessor of the City of Cambridge and, secondly, that $250,000 was consistent with his estimate of the value of the income the building was capable of generating.

Respondent argues that a proper allocation of the purchase price would be to value the land at $234,000 and the building at $66,000.

Thus we are once again faced with the problem of valuing a piece of property remote in point of time from its date of acquisition. There is no serious allegation that the original purchase was not a good faith, arm's-length transaction. Both parties agree that Offshore's basis in the property is $300,000 by virtue of the nature of the transaction in which Offshore acquired the property from Dr. Baird.

Valuation and allocation disputes such as this necessarily depend upon their own particular facts and circumstances. The petitioner must overcome the presumption of correctness that attaches to the respondent's determination.

We think Offshore has established the proper value and allocation as between the land and the building. Those factors influencing our decision to some extent synergistically include Dr. Baird's familiarity with the area in which he bought the property. He went through this section of Cambridge daily for 25 to 30 years. He was intently interested in the well-being and growth of Baird Associates and then Baird-Atomic. He knew of the space needs of the business and was interested in seeing that they were met.

By no means determinative, but nonetheless informative, was the value ascribed the land and the building by the tax assessor of the City of Cambridge. In 2554-58 Creston Corp., the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts prohibit variance in the tax rate between land and improvements. Thus, no advantage appears which would cause the City of Cambridge to allocate a proportionately higher or lower value to depreciable versus nondepreciable property. 

The utilization of assessed value as at least a guide in valuation is not totally unique in the tax law. Insurance settlements are considered but not treated as conclusive when attempting to determine the amount of an actual loss.

Mr. Kinsella's appraisal of the property, which was done originally for the seller's estate, is also helpful. He actually viewed the property while it was still in use by petitioners. This does not negate the probative value of an assessment done later in point of time with respect to a certain date in the past.

No useful purpose would be served herein by going over each method of appraisal or item of evidence.  Suffice it to say that we have found as an ultimate fact and so hold that a value of $50,000 for the land and $250,000 for the building was reasonable when made.

Steven A. Meiers (assessor valuation disregarded in favor of estimated building replacement costs)

During 1977, petitioners purchased for investment purposes two condominium properties known as the Via Serena property and the Calle Sonora property. Petitioners paid $63,000 for the Via Serena property, and $48,000 for the Calle Sonora property. On their 1977 return and for depreciation purposes, petitioners allocated 80 percent of the total cost of both the Via Serena and Calle Sonora properties to the buildings involved, and 20 percent to land. Respondent determined that the allocation of cost between buildings and land should be 55/45 for the Via Serena property, and 49/51 for the Calle Sonora property.

There is no dispute as to the law involved in this issue. The total purchase price should be allocated between the land and the buildings in the same ratio as the value of each component bears to the value of the property as a whole, as of the acquisition date in May 1977.  The question is purely a factual one as to the appropriate and reasonable values of the land and buildings.

Respondent [IRS] based his allocation solely upon the local property tax assessor's relative valuation of the land and buildings. We believe that there is insufficient evidence to establish that the assessor's relative valuations should carry much, if any, probative value in this case. The evidence shows that the assessor's values for the entire properties are grossly disproportionate to the actual purchase price of the properties. There is no evidence in the record that the assessor's allocations of value between land and building comport with reality, any more than these total valuations. Accordingly, we decline to give the allocations of the assessor weight in reaching our conclusion.

Petitioners based their allocation upon the investigation of petitioner Steven Meiers regarding estimated building replacement costs as of 1977. We conclude that petitioner's valuation had a reasonable basis and was much closer to the mark than respondent's, and we hold for petitioners on this issue.

Post: FHA Property Tax advise

Logan AllecPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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@Ephrem Bekere It's impossible to answer this question without knowing 1) your other income and deductions and 2) whether you reported your rental income (as well as other items) correctly, neither of which can be ascertained from a forum post.  I recommend that you work with a qualified tax professional.

Post: Didn’t receive 1098. Helping a friend here!

Logan AllecPosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,264
  • Votes 977

@Matt Romano Any items he paid at closing should be on his settlement statement.

Post: Can A Handgun Be Considered A Business Expense?

Logan AllecPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,264
  • Votes 977

I'd say no, a handgun would not be ordinary and necessary to your real estate business (assuming you have a real estate business).  The discussion on page 6 of  is interesting.  I'm not saying this case is in any way applicable to your situation, but I am rather just providing it as information so you can see what a Tax Court judge thought about an argument similar to yours.

Excerpt (emphasis mine)

3. Claimed Depreciation of Guns and Deduction of Ammunition Expense

Petitioner, who was interested in collecting guns, purchased two pistols in 1972 for $194 and deducted the amount as a business expense. In 1973 he bought eight guns for $1,491. Four of these were on display in his apartment. He claimed that the other four were used for personal protection at his office and in his car, and therefore deducted their cost as a business expense. An unsolved murder had occurred in the Marina City complex in 1972. Petitioner sometimes goes to what he believes are unsafe job sites to settle insurance claims. Petitioner filed an application to become a deputy sheriff in Cook County in 1973 and he began a training program sometime during that year. He spent about $34 for ammunition in 1973.

In his notice of deficiency respondent disallowed all of the claimed deductions for the guns and ammunition.

There is no way this Court will sanction the deductibility of a private handgun collection under these circumstances. A handgun simply does not qualify as an ordinary and necessary business expense for an insurance agent, even a bold and brave Wyatt Earp type with a fast draw who is willing to risk injury or death in the service of his clients. We regard such expenses as extraordinary rather than "ordinary" to the usual and customary business of an insurance agent. Nor are they "necessary," i.e., appropriate and helpful, for the development or protection of his business. Indeed, petitioner's arguments for deductibility strike us as erroneous and just plain nonsense. Consequently, we hold that the amounts spent for the guns and ammunition are personal expenses which are nondeductible under section 262.

Post: How do I show income while minimizing taxes?

Logan AllecPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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@Arthur Kineard, get on the phone with your CPA and lender to discuss strategy.  I welcome these conversations when my client is seeking a mortgage.

I am not in the mortgage business, but I have learned over the years that lenders may add back certain deductions to arrive at the mortgage-qualifying income that he or she will use.  Examples include depreciation, amortization, and business use of home.

And here's a cool thing, thanks to tax reform: 100% bonus depreciation.  It all goes on your Schedule C, Line 13.  So it's essentially a good-as-gold full expense for tax purposes, but it doesn't hurt you on your mortgage application.

So make sure your CPA is aware of these things and is not afraid of the home office deduction.

Also, if you have a large non-recurring expense this year, this is worth talking through with your lender.

Someone like @Chris Mason could probably elaborate.

Post: Solo 401K and Real Estate

Logan AllecPosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,264
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@David Huynh, rental real estate (passive activity) wouldn't count. You need earned income, e.g., income you'd put on Schedule C. You don't necessarily need an LLC -- just earned income from your own business.

Also, your business has to be legit, ongoing, etc.  You can't set it up just for purposes of qualifying for a Solo 401(k).

Also, if you contribute to your day job's 401(k), you can still contribute to your Solo 401(k), but the total contribution limit ($18,500 for 2018) is the max for both plans combined, not separately, meaning that it's not $18,500 for your day job's 401(k) and $18,500 for your Solo 401(k) but rather a grand total of $18,500 for both.

@Dmitriy Fomichenko could elaborate.

Post: Texas LLC, CA LLC Tax?

Logan AllecPosted
  • Accountant
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 1,264
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@Marco G.

For starters, the California resident wouldn't incur the LLC tax. The LLC would.

And whether or not it does depends on if the LLC is "doing business" (according to the California Franchise Tax Board rather broad definition) in California. What is the California resident's involvement in the business?

Also, this is kind of nitpicky, but LLCs don't have "shareholders"; they have "members".  :)