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All Forum Posts by: Lili Thompson

Lili Thompson has started 18 posts and replied 39 times.

Post: Do you house hack in Tulsa?

Lili ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Tulsa
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 18

Hey Nate! I house hack here in Tulsa but it was definitely tough finding a multi that fit my needs. I got mine under contract less than 8 hours after it hit the market.

Post: How to choose a strategy?

Lili ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Tulsa
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 18

Hey BP,

I've recently started documenting my investing journey over on Youtube.

About 6 months ago, I got my first rental property by house hacking a duplex, but in the lead up, I had a lot of confusion and analysis paralysis around all the different strategies I could pursue, and I think that really slowed me down.


Anyway, I put a bunch of what I learned into a 25-minute Youtube video where I rank 10 different strategies including House Hacking, BRRRR, flipping, live-in flipping, furnished rentals, and more.

If you want to check it out, here's the link: https://youtu.be/OQyDkTQKZo0

I'd love to hear your thoughts,

Post: My House Hack Took 89 Days to Close!

Lili ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Tulsa
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 18

@John Teachout

Like I said in the post, the wonderful thing about this property is that I still have separate entrances and I still have mostly separate utilities! There's an interior staircase that has doors at the top and bottom that I can lock.

I am free to sub-meter the electric so that my downstairs roommates can pay their own utilities, and I don't think anyone would ever suggest that I'm unable to buy new appliances for my new home :) 

Post: My House Hack Took 89 Days to Close!

Lili ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Tulsa
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 18

@Kelsey T.

Sure!

We got under contract November 17th and set closing for January 3rd. The sellers still had some work to do on the home so that's why we built in some extra time for that and then all my inspections, etc.

Around the first week of December, after the sellers were done with the rehab, the first appraiser came out and that was the first road bump.


It took about another week to get a second appraiser to view the home, and then a few more days to get his report. So that put around mid December.

Then the holidays hit and EVERYTHING slowed down. Communication from our appraiser to my lender to the FHA and everything. Once we hit 2020, things started to pick back up, but small delays came with the FHA board asking for different items/paperwork, etc.

Come to the start of February, and the file stayed with underwriting for about 8 days. This was the time when the FHA board was trying to decide how to classify the home and once it came back, we took about 2 days to make the changes required, then we were closing!

Post: My House Hack Took 89 Days to Close!

Lili ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Tulsa
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 18


@Scott Mac Thanks Scott! I agree, seeing that check at closing from the state was pretty sweet :)

Post: House Hacking A Duplex as My First Property (Start to Finish)

Lili ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Tulsa
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 18

What’s up BP!

This is my first real post, and I’m so excited that I can finally say I’ve got my first investment property! Thanks to everyone who has answered questions or provided insight during this process.


The wild thing about this property is that THE CLOSING TOOK ALMOST 90 DAYS!

89 to be exact!

In this post, I’m going to outline the process for all my fellow newbies out there. I also made a separate post here (https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/818360-my-house-hack-took-89-days-to-close) that goes more in-depth, detailing exactly why it took 89 days to close.

If you don’t feel like reading, you can check out the video-version of this post here: https://youtu.be/91OiRc3Xsww

You can also see the video-tour of the duplex here: https://youtu.be/Q6qd4SoMza0

Alright, let’s get to it!

This property is a 2,500 square foot, up-down duplex. 97 years old but freshly renovated and in beautiful condition. Located in one of Tulsa’s hottest neighborhoods, there are 2 bedrooms, 1 bathroom in each unit, full kitchens and laundry in both units, and separate utilities.

Finding the property

My criteria: 2-4 units in one of 3 neighborhoods close to downtown Tulsa.

How long did it take to find?: 3-4 months! The inventory of multifamilies in my desired areas is really low.

How’d I find it: Searched “duplex” in Zillow and saw a new one had popped up just 17 minutes prior. Went to view it the next day.

How’d I negotiate: I offered $6k below asking price then and there, ready to sign (had my pre-approval in hand). We settled on a $5k reduction and each party paid their own closing costs.

Why was the closing so long?

Reason #`1: The sellers actually listed the property as “coming soon”, because they were about 85% done with the renovation. Instead of the typical 30 day, we extended the contract a bit to allow them time to finish up.

Reason #2: I ran into a HUGE hurdle with financing because I had a non-occupant co-signer in my dad. This is something I don’t see people talking about a lot, but it can affect a ton of newbies who want to house hack. Post about it here LINK.

    • November 17th Contract Signed
    • January 3rd Initial Closing Date
    • February 13th Actual Closing Date
    • 89 day closing!

Finally closing

After multiple appraisals and going back and forth with FHA underwriting, the property was officially classified as a duplex, and because I had a non-occupying co-borrower, that took my required down payment from 3.5% to 25%!

In order to get the property classified as a SFR and pay 3.5% down, I had to combine the electric meters and "remove" the upstairs kitchen (meaning disconnect the dishwasher and oven and put them in another room), so that the upstairs kitchen would then be classified as a "laundry room with sink".

Yeah, I know. Again, more details about that process here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/818360-my-house-hack-took-89-days-to-close

OHFA Downpayment Assistance

Although I had the funds for the downpayment and a 3 month emergency fund, I decided to use Oklahoma’s DP assistance fund. First-time buyers (and low income earners) can get their DP gifted (no paying it back!) to them from the state.

I added the money I would’ve spent on a downpayment to my emergency fund, and had a check from the state waiting for me at the closing table, it was a pretty awesome feeling. If you want to see if your state has a DP assistance fund, check out this link here: https://www.hsh.com/homebuyer/dpa-guide-down-payment-assistance-all-states.html

Let me know what you think!

You can see a tour of the property here(https://youtu.be/Q6qd4SoMza0), let me know what you think, and don’t forget to leave a comment letting me know you’re from BP.

Lili <3

Post: My House Hack Took 89 Days to Close!

Lili ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Tulsa
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 18

Hello BP!

This is NOT going to be a breakdown of what house hacking is and how to do it. There’s already plenty of information out there and besides, I’m not an expert.


BUT, what I am is a beginner who came across a little-talked-about speed bump when trying to house hack a duplex. (More like a hurdle that extended my closing by over 40 days…)

So here it is:

For most first-timers, the reason we choose to house hack is because we don't have loads of up-front capital to make a large down payment on a property. The fact that an FHA loan will allow you to utilize their 3.5% down on up to 4 units is exactly what attracted me, and many of us, to house hacking in the first place.

But, little did I know!

If you are going to have a non-occupant co-signer who helps you qualify for your 2-4 unit property, you may not be able to take advantage of that 3.5% down, but instead, be required to put down a whopping 25%.

In my scenario, I had enough money from diligent savings during college for the down payment as well as 3 months of reserves, but was just shy on the qualifying income side for the property I wanted. This property was “technically” a single family residence, since that’s how it was zoned with the county, but actually had two functioning units, upstairs and downstairs. (Separate entrances, two kitchens, separate utilities, etc.)

The first speed bump came with the appraisal. When the appraiser got to the property, he refused to complete the appraisal as an SFR, and instead, wanted to classify this property as an up-down duplex because of the above-mentioned characteristics.

Normally, this would be no problem. FHA allows 3.5% down on 1-4 units...UNLESS YOU HAVE A NON-OCCUPANT CO-SIGNER.

And so, my loan officer worked for about 10 days to find another appraiser who was willing to categorize the property as a single family (again, that’s how it was zoned with the county, and because of the layout, locking or unlocking one door at the base of the stairs makes either the entire home accessible to one family, or splits it into separate units.)

The seller agreed to wait for this appraisal, and luckily, the new appraiser classified the property as an SFR, but once the loan got to underwriting, the FHA-board decided that due to the upstairs kitchen and the completely separate utilities, this home would STILL be classified as a duplex, and therefore, with a non-occupant co-borrower, I'd be required to put down 25%.

This is probably a good point to mention that I’m using a first-time home buyer program for the state of Oklahoma, which gifts you 3.5% for your down payment. Therefore, even though I had the money in the bank for the DP, I didn’t actually have to use it. This extended the amount of reserves I had in the bank, and was also part of the reason I felt comfortable with having a co-signer to qualify for a slightly larger/more expensive property.

So now, I had a decision to make. I couldn’t afford to put down 25%, so I could let the property go (financing contingency was included in our contract), OR, I could remove the upstairs kitchen and combine one of the utilities.

The sellers were obviously getting antsy at this point, but they were a lovely couple who’d rehabbed the home themselves and I’d created good rapport with them and kept them up to date during the whole process. They ended up putting the house back on the market, but gave me and my lender another week to figure things out and keep the property.

In the end, it cost me just $1,000 to combine the electric meters, as well as remove the upstairs dishwasher and oven, as well as cap the gas line. The appraiser came back to the home, verified that we had now converted the property to an SFR, and approved us for closing.


From there, it only took about 48 hours for me to close on the home, and it was especially sweet to have the State of Oklahoma pay my 3.5% down payment for me!!


Thanks for reading and if you'd like more content about the first year of my REI journey.

Post: Slum Lords House Going to Tax Auction

Lili ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Tulsa
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 18

Hi BP!

I just purchased my first house hack! It's a lovely duplex on street where every 1/3rd house is being remodeled/updated. 

Just a few houses down from my duplex is an abandoned, dilapidated vacant home. On the door, there's a notice that the home will be going to Tax Resale Auction in June for unpaid taxes. 

My questions: HOW DO I PREPARE FOR AUCTION? IS THERE A WAY TO GET THE CITY TO SELL IT TO ME BEFORE THE AUCTION? ANY TIPS ON CONTACTING THE OWNER AND CONVINCING HIM TO SELL?

I've done my investigating and found out that the owner owns a TON of houses in our city and has over 160 civil law suits filed against him for stealing people's deposits, not fixing properties that are falling apart, etc. It even got to the point where a local news crew chased him down a street with a camera crew trying to get answers.

I'm going to keep trying to contacting him before the auction, but how do I put myself in the best position to get this property at auction? Will the city consider selling it to me before then? I'm worried that with this being in such a great location for flips and BRRRRs, investors will be all over it if it actually gets to auction.


I have funds lined up for the downpayment and a BRRRR loan, as well as my team in place to get the house back in pristine condition.

I'm a newbie but willing to learn and research, would be very grateful for any advice/suggestions. 

Thanks BP!

Post: Mentor or Real Estate Club - Tulsa, OK

Lili ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Tulsa
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 18

@Joshua Glesener

Hi there, I’d be interested in a monthly group as well 

Post: The 7 Steps You Need to Get Started Investing In Real Estate

Lili ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Tulsa
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 18

Awesome! Thanks Brandon. 

I'm under contract to house hack my first duplex here in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  

If any other newbies want to join me for a 30 day challenge to dive into getting super educated, you can check it out here: https://youtu.be/syB6GAvj_WQ 

Best!