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All Forum Posts by: Leo Poon

Leo Poon has started 6 posts and replied 96 times.

Post: Owner Financing - Ethics Question

Leo PoonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Queens, NY
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Chase Gibson:

Are all ethical issues removed if you were to add in the contract language similar to this?:

"Buyer has the right to refinance or pay off the mortgage at any time, penalty free, for any reason.

 If the seller does not have a lawyer when closing. That could be a lawsuit awaiting to happen. If the seller has a lawyer when closing, then the lawyer will probably point that out to the seller you might refinance in a couple months.

Post: Owner Financing - Ethics Question

Leo PoonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Queens, NY
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Chase Gibson:

I have an ethical question related to making an owner financing offer.  Here is the offer I am considering making with theoretical numbers to get everyone's feedback on:

The owner would like to sell the property for $115,000.  I am considering making an owner financing offer of $90,000 with a 10% interest rate, amortized over 10 years.  I would be agreeing to this higher interest rate in order to make the lower purchase price appear appealing.  I would then refinance to a lower interest rate in the next 6-12 months. **The owner financing agreement would not include any penalties for early payoff**.

The question: Is it unethical to make the seller accept a lower offer price, by offering a high interest rate, only to refinance quickly, unethical?

Please let me know if my question requires further explanation!

 It sounds like you are letting the seller believe he will hold the note and enjoy the  10% interest for 10 years so he wouldn’t have to pay capital gain tax upfront. But in reality, he will figure you misled him when you refinance and pay him in full and he is then force to pay the capital gain tax. If you do this long enough, I am sure one of the sellers will file a lawsuit which come back to haunt you. And it never looks good for an investor against some elderly on court.

Post: Paying on a muti-family

Leo PoonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Queens, NY
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Taylor Smith:
So I’m a new investor looking to buy a multi family. Now when I use the calculator since I’m going to have to put 3.5% down I run into a high mortgage. In short that high mortgage is causing me to be negative in cash flow. Now if I have to come out of pocket on a mult family property a couple hundred bucks, is that better then not having a property at all and saying forget it? Kind of need some advice on that!

 It depends if the house price will appreciate in the near future. For instance, NYC multi family will definitely not cash flow positive with 10% down unless you bought it dirt cheap which rarely happens. But the house price can appreciate a lot more than the cash flow. A flipper friend of mine bought a 3 family near long island city for 800k in 2015, it is now worth 2 million. Thats 1.2 million equity appreciated in 4 years, and most likely will increase further due to Amazon HQ2. So unless your into similar situation, it is better to cash flow positive on day 1 if house price has little appreciation in the future.

Post: Planning to start a coffee business

Leo PoonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Queens, NY
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Michael A. Warner:

Hey all, 

I am planning to start a small coffee shop in my city. I am a big fan of espresso. So, I thought why not sell it. There is great happiness associated with doing a business that you like. But the thing is, I am not on a big budget. I know that if we are going to start a business, it is crucial to keep aside some liquid cash to fund the business at least for a year. But, since I am new to the business, I don't know how much liquid fund should I have to keep aside. Usually, commercial espresso machines cost $6000 and, I will need another $5000 to invest in property and furnishing. So, I have a total investment of $15000 in my hand. How much of it should be kept aside? Can someone please give me a rough estimation of how long it will take a business to grow? And, in case if I want to finance the machines and other equipment, what are the best options available for me? 

 To be honest, 15k won’t be enough for a coffee shop. The rent and deposit will already cost that much depending where you located. You still haven’t calculated the cost of renovations. Equipments beside espresso machine, furnitures, insurance, utilities, product cost, labor cost, taxes. Most businesses don’t even make money in the first few years. So I don’t suggest going into business because you like coffee. It will most likely turn out to be a hobby that costs money than a business that makes money. 

Post: Evicting only 1 housemate

Leo PoonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Queens, NY
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 70

@Michaela G. Maybe install some security cameras and public lighting for the outside area, this will probably discourage him peeing or beating people in public while he is under the term lease. 

Post: Collecting back rent after evicting

Leo PoonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Queens, NY
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Eric E.:

We have rentals in PA and NJ.   Evictions are few and far between, but when we have one, the security deposit is NEVER ENOUGH to cover back rent and damages, the tenants always owe more.     Bad stuff happens to good people, but some of them just want to "stick it to the wealthy landlord".      Has anyone had success with a contingency fee collection agency?   Will they skip trace missing tenants, and file for wage garnishment?    Replies from anyone who has had success would be greatly appreciated.   !!!    

 I read a post on BP before about someone filed a judgment on the non-paying tenant, and after 10 years or so. This non-paying tenant inherited a house and sold it. Then the title company discovered there's a judgement on this person and proceed with paying back the judgement, the principal with interest was about $56k. Moral of the story, you never know. At least it has a better chance than winning a lottery. 

Post: 25 yrs old, want to invest, but in a tough situation..any advice?

Leo PoonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Queens, NY
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Kristian Bear:
@John Warren John, thanks for the reply. I think that would be a good idea, since the real obstacle for me is getting the savings for a down payment setup. The advice is much appreciated

 If saving for a down payment is a problem, you want to know what are your expenses. Try your very best to cut unnecessary costs and increase your income. Whether doing part time or doing more shift, just gotta do what it takes if your serious. 

Even if you would find any seller financing/master lease/or hard money lender, they would all require you to have reserve to be able to run the property at minimum of 6 months. Alternatively, you can borrow from friends and family, but you need to be sure that you can pay them back if things go south. It could be in monthly installment. 

Post: What are you guys planning on doing about rising interest rates?

Leo PoonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Queens, NY
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 70

We are still in historical low interest rate. Just look up the interest rate chart and you will see. Higher interest rate means less buyers with commited funding, so less competition and more bargaining chip with seller if your one of the only few that can close on properties. Numbers and statistics don’t lie. If you buy low enough, it will offset the risk tremendously.

Post: What to do next?????

Leo PoonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Queens, NY
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 70

@Tashia K campbell Have you talked to Non-Qualify Mortgage Lender, a lot of them are asset-based lender that will care less your personal income and focus more on the property itself. Rates will be higher than a conventional loan but it is still reasonable. If you can come up with 20% down, you should qualify for the loan with an asset-based lender. 

If you are looking for a partner, I would recommend posting your operating term, what are the splits, and the plan for managing the property.

Post: The Secret Shame of Middle Class Americans

Leo PoonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Queens, NY
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 70
Originally posted by @Kiley N.:
Originally posted by @Amit P.:

I know most people won't read this long article but I thought it was really fascinating and kind of sad.  It's great that so many people are trying to find a way out of the rat race though so many people try and hide their financial inadequacy.  In my opinion, it is the failure of the public school system to not teach basic finance and accounting and investing. 

How can we change this?

 I don’t think it can be changed. It is how capitalism work. The rich getting richer thing. On the other hand, one can change themselves. While making 100k plus annually and have hard time raising 1k is an indicator of poor personal finance. Some questions to ask ourselves are:

1) Are you having ego/dignity problem which you always compare yourself with your peers. You must buy the fancy stuff while cheaper options are available? Want vs need.

2) Are you too lazy to save money for investment or emergency reserve? Ask yourself how often you dine out instead of bringing your own lunch? How often do you use taxi and uber?

3) Are you planning on your next vacation trip so you can put some glorified selfies on FB or Instagram? 

The lists can go on forever, but the point is we are where we are because of our past decisions. We put this on ourselves by spending relentlessly over our budget. Majority of financial freedom will not be achieved without sacrificing the quality of life.