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All Forum Posts by: Richard Chang

Richard Chang has started 28 posts and replied 129 times.

Post: Mining the county assessor's site for data

Richard ChangPosted
  • Renter
  • Alhambra, CA
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by Vic Waln:
@Richard Chang
There should be a few Bash shells for Windows, though this really needs to be ported when ready. To port it, though, requires me to navigate the learning curve of another, more practical language.
To develop this with Bash does leave me with a working, if silly, model.

hi Vic Waln,

Seems like your workflow would be:

1. File with List of Property Address
2. Bash Shell Script to loop through each address and query the website and save the results
3. Script to analyze the HTML results of each webpage returned to find Owner name / address and save to a new Owner Address output file
4. Generate the Letter in Word and generate Mailing Labels

With some motivation, I could probably build something in .Net... with a little help.

Best, Rich C

Post: Mining the county assessor's site for data

Richard ChangPosted
  • Renter
  • Alhambra, CA
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 5

Hi Vic Waln and Steve Babiak,

I was hoping you could share the "purpose/strategy" of the project for obtaining the owner name / address for Expired Listings ?

Are you mailing a letter to the owner ?

Are you a RE Broker seeking new listings ?
or RE Investor wanting to deal directly with owner etc .

I would be interested in the scripts that could run on Windows.
I see there is a Curl for Windows and Perl for Windows.

Best, Rich C

Post: Mining the county assessor's site for data

Richard ChangPosted
  • Renter
  • Alhambra, CA
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by Vic Waln:

I am working only on the street address. I want to access the county's information for the name and mailing address, when different from prop address.
...
The issue is that ASP.NET or aspx, which this site uses, is thwarting my efforts.
...
It looks, though, as I will have to GET and POST with this site and am studying up on how to do it with cURL.

Hi Vic,

Why do you have to do a GET request and then a POST request ?

I think the main problem is to translate the street address to the
parcel number right ?

I'm guessing you need to issue a
POST request passing in your form data ( such as the address ) to get the Parcel Number ? and then issue the GET request to find the page by PID ?

Is there a page on the Adams Site to get the Parcel Number by Address ?

Best, LA Guy

Originally posted by John Evan Miller:
If you do not have a lot of real estate experience then your best bet is to work with a local realtor who specializes in developmental and/or commercial properties. If they have been in the business for any length of time, then they will know the market, possible properties and all the contacts that you will need to make this a success. After this deal, you will have considerable experience and then you might be able to do one on your own. But for now, you need some experienced help to guide you.

Hi John Evan Miller,

Yes, makes a lot of sense and will we need to find one that will "guide / explain" all the steps, rules and issues involved.

So, we do need to consider what kind of realtor for investment projects would be most suitable for us.

Best to you, Rich C

Post: Mining the county assessor's site for data

Richard ChangPosted
  • Renter
  • Alhambra, CA
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 5

Hi Vic Waln,

Just thought I'd try to understand what you doing with the
BASH scripts ? access individual properties by address, parcel number etc

I'm assuming this is the Adams County search page ( written in Asp.Net )
http://www.gis.adcogov.org/quicksearch/

I searched by owner: Smith
and got a list and chose a sample parcel here

http://www.gis.adcogov.org/quicksearch/doreport.aspx?pid=0157120316007

where pid is the assessor parcel number.

I assume you have the parcel number ?
or just the street address to do the search
and then extract the data.

In this case, the webpage HTML can be "scanned/parsed" by a custom program / script for that webpage and follow the links for the "Value" page etc.

Best, Rich C

Originally posted by Charles Perkins:
Here is a case that you should watch regarding land development.

http://news.yahoo.com/land-developer-irs-head-u-tax-court-accounting-120357292--sector.html

Thanks : Charles Perkins

Here is a quick summary of that article below ...
I wonder if it will apply to a small project where the constructed units should all sell in the same accounting year and project duration should not be more than 2 years ?

Re: Land developer, IRS head for U.S. Tax Court on accounting fight

In a tax fight that could jolt the real estate business, Howard Hughes Corp is challenging the U.S. Internal Revenue Service over a $144.1 million tax bill stemming from land sales at Summerlin, an enormous planned community in southern Nevada.

The dispute centers on an accounting practice - known as the "completed contract method" - that the IRS has scrutinized for years. A Tax Court trial is scheduled for November 5 in Las Vegas.
The IRS contends, according to court records, that Howard Hughes improperly deferred taxes on income from sales of residential lots at Summerlin, which sprawls across 35 square miles on the western fringe of Las Vegas.
The company should pay taxes as
. . . . .
Developers beginning new projects may need to pay taxes sooner, adding an up-front cost for the businesses, said Richard Shavell, a vice chairman at the Associated Builders and Contractors, an industry group. "If the IRS wins, they could cause a lot of uncertainty," he said.

Best, Rich C

Hi Steven Hamilton II

Originally posted by Steven Hamilton II:

An LLC is not a bad entity as for tax purposes it can be classified in any way you would like(Sole Prop, Partnership, S-Corp, C-Corp).
Buy and sell will be a simple ordinary income transaction. It it is bought and held for investment in a rental or appreciation situation then you are better off when selling it. In regards to 1031 exchanges it is recommended that you hold it for at least 1 year.

I see, creating rental property first would allow a 1031 into the next project but building new units and renting for a year will hurt the sale value for buyers wanting a brand new home.

Originally posted by Steven Hamilton II:

Developers shelter income by purchasing additional equipment at better times and though various holdings.

In this case, I don't think he will be buying any expensive equipment for development building since it will be contracted out.
( but I may be wrong on this ).

Thanks, Rich C

Originally posted by Charles Perkins:
What you are talking about is development. When you develop land it is treated as a business and treated as ordinary income. The costs to develop the land must be rolled up into the basis of each lot and are only deductible when a lot is sold.

A 1031 is not available in this situation since these are essentially inventory.

Like Jon Holdman mentions though if your intent is to develop and rent these out, your situation changes. Investment property can be exchanged and you can deduct a great deal more in expenses. Also your rental income would likely be treated as passive therefore not subject to SE tax.

Hi Charles Perkins

Thanks for the feedback.

1. Build and Sell
The "ordinary income" would mean high taxes with Ca Fed / State.
Need to find out if all "costs of purchase, building, management" etc are deductible before hand. ( esp. since 2 of 3 would be sold ).
Any ideas on how Developers "shelter" some ordinary income ?

2. Build , Rent and then Exchange
I will find out if the build and rent then 1031 exchange to another project would be viable. This seems like a good way to go if there is NOT a need to "cash out" on the amount invested.
But in this case, the rental income would be a small return on capital invested.

Best to you, Rich C

Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
There are a few CPA types here who may be able to give more specific advice. I'll give my thoughts.

1) You need to find a good CPA who understands the type of business you're running.

2) In most cases, an LLC has zero tax impact. An LLC is a pass through entity for tax purposes. You can elect to be taxed as a C or S corp, though.

3) A 1031 applies to investments. If you build and sell properties, they're inventory, not investments. So, they aren't eligible for a 1031. Nor is a personal residence. But if you build, rent for a while, then you could 1031 the profits into another rental property.

Thanks Jon Holdman

1. I'm shopping for a local CPA with RE Developer expertise.
2. Ok, for RE Developer this is not an advantageous Entity.
3. Ok, Buy and sell doesn't qualify.
So for a 1031 exchange to apply, "rent for a while" means about 1-2 years as Rental Units ?

Best to you, Rich C

Hi all,

I was interested to find out the basics for tax planning for a real estate
project to buy a lot and remove existing structures and have 3 units built
with 1 being kept by the owner.

How would I find information on minimizing tax on the sale of the other 2 units
etc. I read that the units would be taxed as ordinary income ?
Is their a way to maybe do 1031 exchanges to a new project investment to avoid this etc.
Should this be done in an LLC etc.

Best to all, Rich C