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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Henderson

Patrick Henderson has started 2 posts and replied 68 times.

There are many wholesale companies or Investors as we all know. There are those that do their very best to secure a property at the right price, under the right conditions and with a good estimate of repairs. These are Wholesalers who have done enough research and have the ability to speak to their clients about all their options that allows their clients to make an informed decision. This a valuable skill.

As far ARV is concerned, Those with access to the MLS obviously have better access to comps. Some may exaggerate but most appear to be doing their best. so I won't get into that in this discussion. 

Also , I don't want this discussion devolve into the legality or the efficacy of Wholesaling That is not what this is about.  

What this is about, is those Companies that call themselves Wholesalers that target less experienced or beginner and novice investors. I won't be mentioning any names be it personal or business.

In addition, I decided to write this because I came across so many of these companies former clients in the normal course of business. And they told me in great detail of their experience. But, that would not be enough for me to write about this subject. 

I did not go looking for them, they came to me. 

I received a call early one morning from Joe (not his name) asking if my property was still for sale and could he see it. When I arrived at the house Joe was there and he toured the house and returned outside. At this time he said he liked the house asked for the price and agreed to buy it but with an option, $50.00 for five days. I had seven days to close on this project and replied that that was not acceptable to me. He then upped it to $200.00 for a two day option. I told him I would not do that as well because he had no skin in the game and he would have to, at the very least, match the amount I have down.  Finally he said he would match my down payment and use an assignment if I extended the closing date. I asked why not put the money down as earnest and he replied because it's an assignment. I told him since it's an assignment that he should put all the monies owed me for the assignment in escrow. He said your confused and that I was thinking of earnest money by way of sale not an assignment but what he was calling an assignment was really an option. And, if he wanted me to sign that option he could not leave any way for himself to profit from this arrangement especially in the event he collected earnest money from a potential buyer and they did not perform that those monies must be returned to me. He explained that if his buyer did not perform all the proceeds go directly to the company lawyers and that they did not receive any. But if you pay your bills with this money you are receiving and spending those funds. At this point he became very agitated and got loud and said that they had bent over backwards jumped through every hoop I gave them and that I had no other buyers for this house. In very loud voice said if he did not receive the paperwork by close of business that day the deal was off. I don't know if it's needless to say or not but he did not get that paperwork. He was right, at that time I had no other buyers and if I were as inexperienced as I know the vast majority of their customers are, I might have panicked. But as it turns out I signed a contract that evening. 

These companies have a well polished pitch down to the point of intimidation and, that it is not a last resort. They expect you not to have enough knowledge to counter their misleading and downright false statements when communicating with you.  An example. After I told him that we would use my Title company because they understand and have a lot of experience working with investors and that they have no problem with not charging double for title insurance etc... He immediately said that that is called a pass through and in the state of Texas that is illegal and they would never participate in that. However, it is perfectly legal with an agreement called a pass through agreement that the parties involved all sign. And these title companies are almost always owned by attorneys who would never risk their business or State Bar Association Licensing. 

When looking for properties they troll everything from the MLS to local company websites. What they're looking for is short times to close or anything that might hint of desperation, I have seen their ads for houses and the ARV does not seem to be inflated but the ARV was deflated while he spoke to me. In other words they are not above telling you, your ARV is wrong.

The reason for writing this.

If you are a beginner, novice or lack enough experience to deal with these people. I recommend not buying from them.

They only sell in-house unless that fails, then and only then they will pass it on to other investors outside their network. The reason for this is profit.

First tier buyers are required to use their in-house financing, no cash buyers on the first tier because this maximises their profits and the chance to get the house when and if the buyer defaults. These buyers are virtually always beginners.

Second tier buyers may use their own financing or cash.

Here is my best advice. There are no shortcuts you must learn first to play well, I personally spent in the neighborhood of $50,000 leaning what I know, that is not to say the leaning stopped there. Everything in life is trial by fire so until you've been burnt a little you don't know what the sting feels like. but a burn to early in your investing could scare you away. Just know this, those who are successful have failed on average ten times more than those who are not. There is a multitude of free information that I paid good money for that is free on this site.

There is only one way to know if you will be successful in this business and that to get in it.

While it may be scary and you most likely will want a partner in the beginning to ease the burden and lower your risk and that's fine. Just know that you can do it yourself. You do your own marketing, get your own clients, speak to them in an informative way so they make their decision. And, you can make your decisions without analysis paralysis or all the other insecurities that go along with starting a new adventure because that is what it is.

Take Action. Those are the two most important words you can remember. Without action nothing happens.

While I did not mention any names I believe we all know who these companies are especially in Dallas. 

Thank you for reading.

Patrick 

This sounds a lot like a reverse mortgage. The heir generally has the chance to pay that amount to retain the property or sell it, subject to the terms. Do your due diligence but It's not rocket science, Someone has equitable interest and that needs to be satisfied. They are bound by the particular terms of the original agreement, 

The only thing to do is identify those terms and evaluate your offer and then, make that offer.

The KISS rule "keep it simple stupid" Ask Questions you'll probably get answers. 

Good luck.

Post: Skip Trace

Patrick HendersonPosted
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 33

I haven't posted lately but it sounds like a lot people are being told it's hard to find a good Skip Trace company. I only have one suggestion and they have never failed me. I've used them over fifty times. I did buy a bulk package but they have individual searches as well.

Findtheseller.com

I hope that helps.

Patrick

Post: difficulty negotiating price with seller, help

Patrick HendersonPosted
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 33

Time and circumstance changes everything.

Post: Posting Ads For Buyers

Patrick HendersonPosted
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 33

The simple truth. Gurus tell people to build a buyers list for comfort. The number one fear is, what if I can't sell the house.

First learn how to get product to sell. I get calls from people all the time from my marketing wanting to ad me to yet another buyers list that I'll never buy a house from. If you have nothing to sell were both wasting our time. If you know what a good deal is, then the buyers will come.

Educate yourself first on the buying side, negociations, seller objections and closing deals. Know what's happening in your chosen market. learn the 70% rule. There is nothing like doing a deal to take the anxiety out of the equation.

Wholesale deals are very simple and the quickest way to put money in your pocket.

I don't have any specific requirements or preferances for a deal. All I need is a deal that makes sense financially. There are other factors that I look for but if you have nothing to look at, I have nothing to evaluate.

I recently moved and started investing in a new state where I had no buyers at all. So the simple solution was to go get house under contract and then market it. The investors that bought it contact me constantly for new deals. That's the only way I feel building a buyers list makes sense. Of couse I kept all the information from everyone interested in the property. So, the first deal gives me a buyers list. It keeps building from there.

Post: Wholesaling 101 - What are my limitations?

Patrick HendersonPosted
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 33

@Johnathan International investing is not my thing, at least so far. So, international Tax issues aside, double closings are going on all around you everyday. It's very common and if the closing company doesn't want to do it, there are many versed in it. They work for me because I'm paying the bills. If you get with the right company ie. one that regularly works with investors. They can be a great resourse.

By Co-wholesaling You mean Jv?

Post: Wholesaling 101 - What are my limitations?

Patrick HendersonPosted
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 33

Docusign.

Post: WHOLESALING CONTRACTS

Patrick HendersonPosted
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 33

Just do the deal through your title company and all is fine. A standard purchase and sale agreement is all you need from the seller. The title company will do the rest. Don't sweat it.

If you can acquire the deal at that price and have a buyer, it's more than a good deal. I think you could go higher on your max offer and still come out with a quick profit. However, you offer is not a bad place to start. The 70% rule has a max offer of about 33 or 34. starting offer at about 28 to 29. So, you're in good teritory if you believe you can get it at that price. Of course that's if your competition isn't to stiff. Almost everyone know these margins and will make offers accordingly.

Post: Greetings from Allen, TX

Patrick HendersonPosted
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 33

Keep learning my friend, Knowledge is power. Get past the acronyms and move on to the rest. Creative investing or rather deal struture is where my juices get flowing. Especially when I hear the words free and clear.

Get up, Get started. take action.

You're not in this business until you're making offers. That's where to begin after education.