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All Forum Posts by: Kiley N.

Kiley N. has started 8 posts and replied 222 times.

Post: To Refi or Not to Refi

Kiley N.Posted
  • Lender
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 231
  • Votes 191

Hi @Paul Defngin !

I'm a bit confused.  

It sounds like you are saying that because @Chris G. didn't put down 10% at closing, MIP is non-cancelable and will apply until the loan is paid off entirely.

EDIT:  I misinterpreted.  Thank you for your explanation @Paul Defngin!  

Post: To Refi or Not to Refi

Kiley N.Posted
  • Lender
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 231
  • Votes 191

@Chris G.

One more option: Get an unsecured personal loan at an amount that would bring your mortgage down to 80% LTV, paydown your mortgage, and remove PMI.

Depending on the terms you are able to get the overall monthly payment obligation will probably end up higher though it seems like you currently have a cushion so that may not be a problem. Upside is your monthly payments now go to equity instead of a PMI company (because you paid down the mortgage with the personal loan) and you keep your 3.75% mortgage in tact.

This assumes you can obtain a loan in that amount (could be from any source), your mortgage has no prepayment penalty, and your lender confirms cancellation of the PMI with paydown.

Post: Should I Refinance Free/Clear Property To Buy Another Property?

Kiley N.Posted
  • Lender
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 231
  • Votes 191

@Kelvin Washington with BRRRR you will be looking to refi for the last R anyway. This first property could be looked upon as the ending of your first BRRRR whether it's a HELOC or a cash-out refi. Or both! Sounds like a good problem to have.

Best of luck to you!

Post: Those who finance investment properties

Kiley N.Posted
  • Lender
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 231
  • Votes 191
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

...and from the beautiful paradise of Hawaii, @Kiley N. has just written what is very near perfection.

It's not about one property...it's about the system, the long and short range plan, the long and short range goals, what you have to work with now, and how what you "will have" to work with in the future will impact what you do then.

To be successful in REI, you must have a plan, based on a series of achievable Milestones, that are built from your long range financial goals (personal debt payoff, and monthly/yearly passive income), which MUST include the short term financial goals (living NOW) as part of the overall plan.

Those that buy properties one at a time, with focus on that one property, then utter the words "now what do I do", are going to make it very, very hard to achieve any real success.  It's the "Plan".  It's what really has the greatest impact on the "risk".

 Thanks for the kind words Joe.  High praise coming from you!

Post: THE Thread on the Final GOP Tax Bill - Q&A

Kiley N.Posted
  • Lender
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 231
  • Votes 191
Originally posted by @Brandon Hall:

So my team and I have literally been sitting around all day to dream up new strategies for our clients (who are all real estate investors).

Here's one that we've come up with.

For new acquisitions, if the rental will likely generate passive losses, allocate more basis to land and take less depreciation. 

The new pass-through deduction is a freebie. But the deduction is only available if you have net taxable income after all expenses, including depreciation and amortization. 

So when you buy the next property, allocate more basis to land. This will reduce your depreciation expense. But if you have a smart tax advisor, you can likely net out the lost depreciation expense with this new freebie deduction. 

The tax benefit is realized on the sell-side. When you liquidate a rental, you pay depreciation recapture taxes on the depreciation you've taken over the life of the rental. 

So if you report less depreciation over the hold period, you pay less recapture taxes in the end. But best of all, it didn't hurt you during the hold period because you utilized this new freebie deduction each year to bring your taxable income down to $0.

Note: this is not a relevant strategy if you purchase property that is likely to produce high amounts of net income after depreciation every year (NNN, Commerical, Large Apartments, Short-Term Rentals).

Second Note: more planning will be required for folks that want to utilize cost segregation. You don't want to crush it on the cost seg side and not be able to utilize this freebie deduction because you no longer have net income to report. 

 Brilliant.  Savings on the front and back end!

Post: THE Thread on the Final GOP Tax Bill - Q&A

Kiley N.Posted
  • Lender
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 231
  • Votes 191

@William Glass , my understanding is that any equipment acquired and placed into service from 9/30/17 (4Q17) qualifies retroactively.  I didn't realize roofs, etc. were also to be included going forward.  Thanks @Brandon Hall !

Post: Those who finance investment properties

Kiley N.Posted
  • Lender
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 231
  • Votes 191
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Greg Downey:

I'll keep my 15 vs 30 yr opinion to my self, but in regards to one of the arguments for the 30 year note that you get to reinvest the extra income into more and more properties.  Realistically, how rapidly are you able to redeploy $146/month (or whatever it is) into other investments.  Someone mentioned taking the extra cashflow and investing it at 4% interest to show the arbitrage of the 30 yr note.  I just have a hard time seeing how you invest such a small amount into real estate.  

 Your not reinvesting just 146/month.  That money accumulates to the amount you can, and it isn't just 146/month...it's an additional 146/month...that adds up over time.

 Since this is a philosophical/strategic discussion, the thought process applies to (hopefully) more than a single property; it applies to the portfolio as a whole.  To Joe's point, it's not so much $146 as it is $146x.  With "x" being the number of hypothetical properties owned/planned to acquire.  $40x would take much longer or much greater scale to allow the investor to amass an equivalent amount of reserves/dry powder for the next purchase.

The time value of money would suggest that investors prioritize obtaining reasonable cash flow up front to be reemployed and creating more value over time (i.e. having your money make you more money).  

Some would prefer to defer the present cash flow in the interest of greater future cash flow/debt free peace of mind/etc.  

There's really no price tag on the feeling of being debt free with all that cash flow.  Some have pointed out that this is how their wealthy clients' portfolios are characterized presently.  The question we are addressing with this topic is:  How did they get there?  And is that route the best financing philosophy that fits with my individual risk tolerance and goals?

We are all at different points in life and portfolio.  I, myself, can see the 15 yr vs 30 yr decision changing as my portfolio does.  

Post: Panic attacks are impacting my deals

Kiley N.Posted
  • Lender
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 231
  • Votes 191

@James Canoy what if you ran your deal past BP?  Might a quality crowd-sourced approval help to calm those nerves?

Post: question about bank loan committee

Kiley N.Posted
  • Lender
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 231
  • Votes 191

Hi @Jill F.

I agree with the above posts and to consolidate based on what appears to be your main concern:

1.  Lenders are incentivized toward getting your request approved.

2.  With a good lender, committee should essentially be a formality.

As @Ken Jernigan said, it's not over until it's over.  Committee is just a step in the process, don't fret too much over it.  

Let us know how it goes!

Post: THE Thread on the Final GOP Tax Bill - Q&A

Kiley N.Posted
  • Lender
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 231
  • Votes 191

@Brandon Hall

I was just thinking about starting a thread like this.  Glad someone legit stepped in to make it happen.  

Does the ~20% pass-through entity deduction apply to sole props?

Thanks!