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All Forum Posts by: Kevin S.

Kevin S. has started 22 posts and replied 379 times.

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @Rob U.:
Quote from @Kevin S.:

Thanks for the advice, Rob.  Good to hear from someone who actually did BOTH for a LONG time.  Would your opinion change if all the RE was handled by professional PM company?  This will remove all the factors you mentioned such as managing, keeping with the landlord laws etc?   Thanks.  


 That would depend on the market you're in and your AGE. If you're under 65 or so then you can lever up on the RE and let the tenants pay off the mortgage
1. Cap rates in most markets are pathetic and not much more than the 10 yr T-bond, future "appreciation" is baked in to the RE markets. Thus, to make a good return, and decrease the risk of a long-term flat market, you'll need to use leverage in RE (tenant pays off the mortgage), so you'll make money irregardless. If you can't leverage the RE and cash flow from day 1, then it's a hard pass
2. Important: you'll need to find a good property manager, this will make or break your RE investment. So you'll need to cash flow after PM fees, taxes, insurance, repairs, vacancy and the mortgage pymt
3. The best way, if you're dead set on owning RE rentals, is to find a property in a good neighborhood that will attract GOOD tenants... from a wholesaler. You can find them in Facebook real estate wholesaling groups. Have them add you to their list of cash buyers. When you find one well below market value that needs work, you can put some money into rehab, then rent it, and you'll have instant equity and a higher cash on cash return
4. For stocks, in this environment, I would only own large cap companies with a solid history of increasing dividends year after year, and reinvest the dividends which decreases your cost basis over time. Decreasing the cost basis protects principal
5. You could do a 50/50 mix of stocks and real estate (depending on the real estate market you're in). In CA, not likely, in OH, then yes very likely, for example


 Valuable input.  Thank you Rob.  Seems like end conclusion is 50/50.  

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

Kevin S.Posted
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Actually it's Schwab IRA RMD calculator.

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Thanks again for your response.  My bad when I said RMD.  I meant withdrawal (living off the withdrawal) of 1M starting @ 60 or 65.  IRS calculator shows roughly $80,000 yearly x 27.5 yrs until depleted(hypothetically). You seem to get a different withdrawal amount.  Maybe I am wrong. 

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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You covered it extensively, so thanks.  I voted for you again.  The RMDs do run out eventually.  IRS calculations are estimated to run out in about 27.5 yrs.  I live in sunbelt state with no state income tax.  So rent will very likely increase steadily.  But all your points are valid and well taken.  

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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RE it is!  Thanks Zach.

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @Michael Smythe:

@Kevin S. I'm trying to assist you with a better understanding of your question!

How much work do you think 4 buildings are versus one?

So, how much do YOU want to work in retirement?


 Appreciate you trying to assist me Michael.  My original question was : Should someone buy all cash RE (one or several properties) for 1M or leverage 1M for 4x larger/more RE.  It's not the number of properties but choice of all cash for smaller property vs leverage for larger property.  For simplicity sake let's just consider one single property and not several small ones. Pros and Cons.  Thanks.

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @David M.:

@Kevin S.

First, figure out your strategy, goals, level of involvement, etc.  I think further educate yourself.  Trying to compare the S&P to purchasing an individual rental property, which people keep doing is ludicrous.  

Hmm...  Why do licenced/fiducary advisers keep recommending a broad based etf?  Risk diversification, don't pick a sector, don't time the market, no leverage,  etc.

However, what is real estate investing?  Picking a particular sector... picking a particular market... in some ways timing the market, etc.

S&P etf isn't the only way to go.  if you want income vs growth, get any of the various income producing securities or funds that have been putting out dividends for years, if not decades.  Many are now doing 10% and even 12% yields.  Some are even tax free.  Its completely hands-off (other than monitoring your account), very liquid, no additional expenses (like a leaking toilet, new roof, new flooring, etc.), and not deferred tax liability (which automaticlaly happens with a rentla).

Oh, and you still get a step up in basis --- don't know why it keep being sold "as-if" real estate is the only asset that gets a step in basis on death...  And the transfer is really easy, no probate (just assign a beneficiary), and you don't even have to re-record a deed...

But back to your question about one property all cash or leverage?  Generally, if you leverage you'll have reduced cash flow.  So... go back to step one and figure out your end goal.  Are you really in dire need of cash/income to live on?  or trying to leave a legacy?

Hope this helps.  Happy to chat.  Good luck.


 Thanks David.  You probably have the most comprehensive response to my post.  Appreciate it.  Care to share some funds and securities? 

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @Todd Dexheimer:

If you're looking to retire and then manage rental properties, then moving that $1mm into a few properties may be a good idea. If you want to be retired and have passive income, then investing into real estate syndications, debt funds, oil and gas companies, hard money lending, etc are good options. Either way takes a ton of education on the front end. 


 Good advice Todd.  Thank you.

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @Account Closed:

Hey @Kevin S.

The question you need to ask yourself first is: 

what is the purpose of this money? 

real estate, stocks, bonds, corporate debt, private credit, ATMs, etc are all great investments. But these investments are tools in a toolbelt. 

All of these people suggesting things are saying what they would do, and they are not you. What is your goal? Cashflow? Networth growth? Wealth preservation? Once you have the goal in mind, then you can choose the best asset for that. Take it from a guy who has blown 1M+ on assets that did not fit with my goals, because smart people told me they were "good investments" 


 Thanks Zach.  The goal is obviously both if possible, cash flow and wealth preservation.  Growth too if possible.  If someone take RMD on 1M from 401k he/she would get about $80,000 for 26 yrs after which it is zero.  If he cash out 401k(@ 60 y.o), pay tax and buy RE with remaining cash, he/she will get less, about $45,000/yr (assuming 6.5% cap rate).  After about 10-12 yrs the cash flow will be about $70,000/yr (5% increase in rent annually). Needless to say it increases every year in perpetuity besides the appreciation and other tax benefits.  Now, of course I don't know if this hypothetical scenario is true which is why I am here seeking comments from those who have done it or failed at it.  Thanks all.

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Thanks for the advice, Rob.  Good to hear from someone who actually did BOTH for a LONG time.  Would your opinion change if all the RE was handled by professional PM company?  This will remove all the factors you mentioned such as managing, keeping with the landlord laws etc?   Thanks.