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All Forum Posts by: Kevin S.

Kevin S. has started 22 posts and replied 381 times.

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

Kevin S.Posted
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Quote from @Mike Klarman:

So, a million bucks.

This is Real Estate forum so I'm guessing you are looking for RE options.

If this million was for pure investment then I'd:

Look in the smaller markets from Western PA through Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, etc.  In those markets you can get multi's for 100k or less and put like 50k into them.  So a project would cost 150k without financing.  I do 6 of those for 900k.  That will provide me with 15 - 20 doors that are mortgage free.  If you average 1,000/door that will be 15k - 20k per month coming in and you still enjoy the appreciation of the buildings.  If you get around 25% appreciation over prject costs then your 900k is now worth 1.125 million and you are making 200k/yr in cashflow.  So in 5 years you are flush again with the Million.  Probably some where in year 4 you'll reach your breakeven.  Now you have 1.2 - 1.5 million in free equity to refi as well if you ever need to but you shouldn't cause the cashflow should be more than enough to stay liquid and just keep going.


Thanks for your advice and I voted for it. You make a good case except for a few things. I am new to REI and hence would be very nervous to invest out of state. I prefer to have my first and maybe second property within state before I have the courage for out-of-state venture. If you can refute that please make your case again and I am all ears. Maybe other investors here on BP who made a straight dive out of state with their very first property (without family in that state to help, being the state you grew up, just sheer luck or other reasons that will skew the opinion/experience) can chip in. Also, how do I know where within those states you mentioned? I do see OH mentioned a lot in this forum tho.

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Kevin S.:

LOL.  That wasn't the advice I was looking for.


 If he can give you 11% annualized return why not ;-) I myself could return you 11.05% no problemoooo LOL


 And how so?  Btw, I don't think I am getting anything back from Jordan :)

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @David M.:

@Kevin S. there are so many funds of all different ranges.  Yes, the higher funds tends to lose price value, especially just recently in the past few years.  But, the total return for many are up.  the bdc's actually have done very well even in price.  There are even more to choose from in the 7%-8% range.  That's the typical "high yield" range -- granted "high yield" can also means 3%-4%.  Its all variable.

One strategy is the "barbell" strategy where, for example, you use a small portion of funds to do 12%, and leave the rest of your funds at 4%-6% (which now you can do with the "blue chip" stocks) so you capture the high income, but also have dividend growth stocks that both appreciate in value and dividend.


 I looked into dividend aristocrats stocks with 10-12% dividends but most are now valued at almost half.  Which is why this whole topic started.  With 20% down 80% leveraged, the returns hoover around 20% even in the absence of cash flow in the current market (where I am at).  Am I wrong?   

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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LOL.  That wasn't the advice I was looking for.

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @Eddy Ogbekhilu:
Quote from @Kevin S.:
Quote from @Eddy Ogbekhilu:

Hi Kevin  just a quick note to connect and to say thanks for your thought provoking questions insights and analysis you bring to the forum. 

Will be 59 soon and looking to give up active work and the 1M questions was indeed where my emotions has/have been wondering. Am comfortable with income from 1M 4d nxt 30yrs at fairly moderate return of 7% ...Once again thanks and am following ur post keenly.


Thanks for following this thread. Lot of people have contributed to this subject so far with varied and interesting opinions. Each with valid points. I am just soaking it in and hopefully will make it work for me, only to contribute later to help someone else in the future as a way to give back. Going to your response of 7% return, is that from REI cash flow?

The 7% is potential expected/guaranteed return of off 1M invested either by way of dividends and the likes.I am not sure if I answered your question correctly!

 You did.  I was expecting 7% return from cashing flowing properties.  Which funds are you looking at.  Many of these high dividends funds especially closer to double digits (9-12%) dividends funds tend to loose value over time(downward trending). The upward trending funds/ETFs gives 3.5-4% at best.  Maybe someone can correct me.  

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Thanks Khalid.  I have been looking at South Florida market and the price seem to be totally out of line with cash flow.  I am talking about mainly duplexes and quadplex where the mortgage payment(without PM fees) are higher than rent.  How is it even justified?  To break even a down payment of 20% or even 35% is required.  I understand the appreciation is much better than other market but the question is for how long as I believe it has run it's vertical trajectory course mostly by now.  

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @David M.:

@Kevin S. oh okay. Missed that.  But $80k generated by $2.1mil is a ~4% yield…. That’s back to the staple 4% rule.. and doubling of the base amount in some 13yrs is ~5.5% yield, assuming no withdrawals

…. I’m not even sure what we are discussing anymore LOL


 You just made me laugh with your last sentence.  LOL

Quote from @Sam Yin:
Quote from @Kevin S.:

You seem to have achieved more than your share and have slowed but not stopped. I cannot add anymore to your investing side because you have achieved more than me. I may be able to add to the other part. Family and kids. I have spent almost all my career in my professional life and it seem there's always more to achieve, kinda hard to let go and stop. But I am beginning to accept there has to be a stop at some point. Hope you can find that point. As for the focus of energy, it's educating the kids over expanding. Expanding will take away time and focus away from kids even if you think you are not. My kids were told that my success will be defined by what they achieve in life rather than what I have achieved. As for allowing kids to do their own things vs steering them into REI, it depends on your kid's traits, personality, habits, intelligence among many other (genetic) gifts or lack of. Some kids have the intelligence, focus and determination to do their own things and succeed. Some kids just have it in them. And unfortunately, some kids don't have it in them. I have seen it in my family, my extended family, friend's family, neighbor's family, kid's friend's family (you get the point). It is up to you to identify them (your kids) as to who is who and do accordingly. Allowing the one with no chance to succeed to do their own things is to set them up for failure. That kid is the one you need to nudge and maybe steer them into REI where you are more involved(other way of saying they need your involvement). The one that is geared for success will come to you without nudging. Congratulation and best of luck.


 Kevin,

There are some really cool statements in your response. You definitely put many of my thoughts into actual words that I wish I could done on my own. You are spot on when it came to your philosophy on rearing the kids to allow them to pursue they interests and nudge the ones that may want to come back into REI later. All of my children are different and have opposite strengths and weaknesses. They are motivated and interested in things that are modern and out of my realm of understanding.

Thanks for redirecting me back to that understanding. I have always felt that way, but I had been a bit frustrated lately at their total lack of personal interest. I had given each a laundry room and allowed them to keep all the proceeds. It was great for about a year, then they all lost interest. Might just be their teen phase.


 You are welcome.  You gave me some insights as well in your response to my post.  Don't be frustrated and above all don't loose patience with your kids and DON'T give up.  Thanks.

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @David M.:
Quote from @Kevin S.:

Actually it's Schwab IRA RMD calculator.

@Kevin S. https://www.schwab.com/ira/ira-calculators/rmd

This? So if you do born 1964 and $1mil, its says ~$80 rmd STARTING at age 73. So, for somebody TODAY at age 60, would have a ~$80k rmd WHEN they BECOME age 73 with I'm not sure how much IRA/401k balance at that time.....

As mentioned above.. there are a huge number of assumptions going on here.  You even said this post is a hypothecal example.  As mentioned, it all comes down to your strategies and goals.  That needs to be followed up with sufficient research/education.


 The expected balance at that time is estimated to be around $2,100,000.00 based on the same website. 

Post: What to do with $1,000,000.00?

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Quote from @Eddy Ogbekhilu:

Hi Kevin  just a quick note to connect and to say thanks for your thought provoking questions insights and analysis you bring to the forum. 

Will be 59 soon and looking to give up active work and the 1M questions was indeed where my emotions has/have been wondering. Am comfortable with income from 1M 4d nxt 30yrs at fairly moderate return of 7% ...Once again thanks and am following ur post keenly.


Thanks for following this thread. Lot of people have contributed to this subject so far with varied and interesting opinions. Each with valid points. I am just soaking it in and hopefully will make it work for me, only to contribute later to help someone else in the future as a way to give back. Going to your response of 7% return, is that from REI cash flow?