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All Forum Posts by: Kevin S.

Kevin S. has started 22 posts and replied 381 times.

Post: CFP or CPA

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Quote from @Edward Condon:

@Kevin S.
You don't mention your age. But, if you are younger than 59 1/2, you could get whacked with a 10% tax penalty on the amount of the withdrawal.  Assuming you are not subject to penalties, do your analysis in after-tax dollars. (i.e. $500k becomes $350k and throws off taxable NOI, etc.) I strongly suspect your best move is to roll the TSP to a Traditional IRA and convert the IRA to a Roth, using non-retirement dollars to pay the income tax, even if you have to borrow the tax liability. Invest the Roth in a diversified pool of high-quality notes. (Do not buy actual real estate with IRA dollars!) Feel free to dm me. I'll show you concrete examples.

Real estate is inherently tax-efficient.
  Use your least tax-efficient money to buy your most tax-efficient assets.  Use your most tax-efficient money (IRAs, etc.) to buy your least tax-efficient assets (notes, etc.).  Proper asset location is a non-trivial consideration!  Again, feel free to dm me.


 My post did mention I am able to withdraw without penalty.  I believe in January 2026, the 2017 tax cut will sunset and tax rate goes back to pre-2017.  I need to withdraw as much as I can in next 2 years within my tax bracket.  This is also for those who might be in my shoes.  I'll DM you.  Thanks.

Post: CFP or CPA

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Quote from @Fulton Abraham Sanchez:
Quote from @Kevin S.:

Hi BP members,

I want to use my 401K for REI. I looked into SDIRA but prefer to do a Roth conversion (pay taxes) and then invest in RE within the Roth. I am able to withdraw without penalty.

Has any BP members done that?  Can use advise as to how it was done.  

I assume I need a CFP first to figure out the Roth conversion part and once converted then in comes CPA?  Do I just need CPA?

Appreciate all help.  Thanks.

CPA will be ok to calculate taxes and pay for conversion. I have a client who did that but with SDRA without conversion. The only thing is by 72 and half years old you will need minimum distribution taken and pay taxes then.


Is there any advantage of doing with SDIRA vs paying the tax now and invest under Roth IRA? As a CPA are you aware of any reason or tax benefit of the SDIRA route?

Post: CFP or CPA

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Quote from @Basit Siddiqi:

A CPA can advise you on what the tax implications would be on a retirement account withdrawal.

The CFP can discuss with you what to do with the funds once they are taken out.


Thanks for confirming that. Who help with the actual process of setting up the Roth IRA account and the nitty gritty of it? Are these specialized companies/businesses/custodians/individuals?

Post: New Construction VS Existing Housing

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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Kevin S.:

@Bruce Woodruff

All good points.  When time comes to sell, how does a 2005 house sell compared to a 1975 house with all new upgrades?  What is your experience or opinion?  I realize there are 'other' considerations but as close to all factors being similar which is a better choice as in investor to buy? Just curious.  Thanks.    


 Lol, 'the 70s were a weird decade fo builders and the lack of any particualr style is a setback as well. Go either way, newer or older and you have a toss-up. The best ones are early 1900s - 1950s.... IMHO


 Thanks Bruce.

Post: CFP or CPA

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Quote from @Brett Synicky:
Quote from @Kevin S.:

Hi BP members,

I want to use my 401K for REI. I looked into SDIRA but prefer to do a Roth conversion (pay taxes) and then invest in RE within the Roth. I am able to withdraw without penalty.

Has any BP members done that?  Can use advise as to how it was done.  

I assume I need a CFP first to figure out the Roth conversion part and once converted then in comes CPA?  Do I just need CPA?

Appreciate all help.  Thanks.


 Hi Kevin this is not an uncommon method of investing.  Many people have invested in RE within a pre-tax and Roth account.  You can do this with a Solo 401(k) or SDIRA.  Both have the Roth option.  401k has Roth built in, SDIRA is either pre-tax or Roth.   Or both but either way, separate plans. It's a good idea to work with a CPA who understands self Directed Retirement accounts and I definitely recommend you check with a CPA before you do a Roth Conversion so you know the tax implications.  You can do all at once or chunk it over several years or whatever amounts and timeline makes sense for you.  Additionally there are plans that give you checkbook control and plans where you need to go through the custodian for all transactions.   

You can learn more about Checkbook IRA here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/2810/blog_posts/2...


 Thank you Brett.  So I can skip a CFP?  Just CPA can walk me thru from start to finish?

Post: CFP or CPA

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@Kirk M.

Thanks for your input. I am no longer in accumulation phase of my life so not looking for another Apple as I won't be around for the 15M. Now if I know another APPLE, will not hesitate to buy for my kids. My plan is to move funds in Roth IRA and buy RE so all income/profits will be tax free (if I am not mistaken). This of course take planning to do Roth conversion and require professionals well versed in this matter. Just not sure who comes first, CFP or CPA or just one.

Post: New Construction VS Existing Housing

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@Bruce Woodruff

All good points.  When time comes to sell, how does a 2005 house sell compared to a 1975 house with all new upgrades?  What is your experience or opinion?  I realize there are 'other' considerations but as close to all factors being similar which is a better choice as in investor to buy? Just curious.  Thanks.    

Post: CFP or CPA

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Hi BP members,

I want to use my 401K for REI. I looked into SDIRA but prefer to do a Roth conversion (pay taxes) and then invest in RE within the Roth. I am able to withdraw without penalty.

Has any BP members done that?  Can use advise as to how it was done.  

I assume I need a CFP first to figure out the Roth conversion part and once converted then in comes CPA?  Do I just need CPA?

Appreciate all help.  Thanks.

Quote from @Steve K.:

Red team vs. blue team is getting kinda silly IMO. Most big cities in red states are blue, while most rural areas in blue states are red. So we really have a rural vs. urban political divide in the U.S., more-so than one defined by state borders. You see that in landlord/tenant policy also: most urban areas are going to have more restrictive landlord/tenant laws than the surrounding rural areas regardless of how the state votes as a whole. Landlord policies are on the municipal level typically, not the state level. 


 You are right in your comments but the crux of the topic remain the same.  All you did was divi up the state level argument into smaller geographical areas.  It still comes down to red policy vs blue policy.  Which policy do what for RE investors and where would you put your money to work?  Where would YOU and why?    

Quote from @Manny Vasquez:
Quote from @Calvin Thomas:
Quote from @Scott Trench:

Intentionally triggering headline for this community, I know. 

But, hear me out. 

The policies that are so obviously destructive in many blue states (rent control, NIMBYsm for zoning, high taxes, regulations, fees) are huge obstacles that present real risks in the short-term and with very newsworthy headline outliers.

But, these same policies are also a landlord's best friend in the long-term. 

I saw a stat recently that San Francisco has added essentially zero net new rental units in 20 years. 

I believe that it's policies with respect to housing and related matters are directly related to this. And these policies, in turn, are directly related to the fact that San Francisco investors who have hung on through the decades are millionaires many times over and have their pick of the cream of the crop when it comes to prospective tenants with each unit turn. 

San Francisco and neighboring Oakland are not having a good couple of years, and may be stagnant or declining for the next few. But, in 20 years, if they keep it up, I predict that the same patterns will repeat, and prices and rents will soar. 

Policies like rent control, zoning restrictions, high taxes, lengthy permitting processes, and more reduce housing supply. It makes it impossible, impractical, and/or uneconomical to bring new units to market at any scale in these locations. 

Strict rent control policies mean that investors can't buy a dilapidated property, refurbish it, and drive rents up. It means that investors can't buy lots or existing buildings and build large multifamily complexes.

Policies like these mean that, long-term, landlords will see rising rents, huge pools of quality rental applicants, limited competition, and be able to essentially do the bare minimum to maintain their properties, while still seeing government sponsored appreciation and rent growth.

Of course, there are also costs and risks to investors with these policies. In the short-run, these policies increase risks of headline news stories like squatters, professional tenants, and lengthy evictions. And, a minority of landlords will experience tenants who stay put for years or decades paying under market rent. Last, urban blight all-too-frequently accompanies many of these policies.

But, on the whole, the coordinated set of policies implemented in places like San Francisco and Oakland, CA seem to just be incredible tailwinds to investor returns over long periods of time. Landlords who pay attention, are ready to wait, play by the rules of the local laws, and have enough volume or cushion to ride out the outlier experiences, have seen, and I believe will continue to see, the benefits of lack of competition accrue to them to the tune of millions of dollars. 

Think about investors in markets like San Francisco, vs places like Austin, TX. Obviously, Austin is growing like a weed and SFO is in decline. 

But, because Austin, TX is generally more landlord and developer friendly, more housing supply is being built in response to growth. Sothere is more competition. They are literally adding 10% more rental units that will be delivered in 2024. Rents are declining rapidly YoY in Austin. SFO is chugging along. One city is seeing the market at work. The other prevents the market from working. Austin rents average $1700 per month, and the market is booming. SFO rents average $3300 per month, and... essentially no market response. SFO will increase housing stock by less than 2% in 2024.

In Austin, landlords have to make concessions and/or ease up on tenant screening standards. 

In SFO, landlords get dozens or hundreds of applications for each new lease. 

In Charlotte, landlords have to maintain their properties and fiercely compete for business. 

In Oakland, dilapidated structures can get by with a bare minimum of state required maintenance for decades.

The very policies that are intended to protect tenant rights, over and over and over again, seem to backfire, helping only tenants who stay put for decades, and in some cases who maintain a residence at thousands of dollars below market in the rent controlled city while also living in another location. Those policies penalize all future prospective tenants in those markets, and while landlords complain, ultimately accrete value to the landlord at the overall expense of the city's potential. Tenants have to compete with dozens or hundreds of others for incredibly high priced rentals, to the point where cottage industries spring up to help place tenants.

While I will never vote for policies that replicate the poor outcomes of other cities in my hometown of Denver, I do, sadly, recognize that just holding onto my properties and watching increasingly restrictive and destructive policies get implemented will lead to long-term appreciation and rent inflation relative to cities with more landlord and developer friendly policies. 

I suspect that markets with landlord and developer friendly policies will see more growth, in terms of populations, jobs, etc. But, returns for investors? I don't think that's as clear-cut. I think that the very policies landlords here on BiggerPockets seem to fear and hate, actually are their best friend in the long-term.

Please rebut. Let me know what I'm missing. 


If America keeps voting blue, this is what will happen to all states which turn blue. The "blue" states of today are not the blue states of the 50s,60,70s, etc.  CA, NY, NJ, PA, IL, AZ, WA, OR, NV are turning into communist states; not the old true blue states.

Some blame CA for setting the trend. Others would wish that CA would break away from the US and become it's own country. Maybe Mexico would like it back?

 You do realize that California helps prop-up the US in GDP, right? It literally "feeds" and gives life to  other lagging, bottom-feeder states within the union.  If California were an economy in and of itself, it would be the 5th largest economy of the world.  Think about that, ahead of India, UK, France and Italy.


 What does that have to do with RE investing if laws are not landlord friendly and it cost money and time to evict tenants or city is squatter friendly, owning/managing RE is stressful?