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All Forum Posts by: Kevin Murray

Kevin Murray has started 3 posts and replied 10 times.

Greetings all. Scouring the internet for answers to this question but haven't found anything definitive. I'm looking to purchase a property for STR and do not own the home I live in. I rent a home and have never before purchased a home.

Is my rent for the home I live in included in my DTI?

Would there be any possibility of a lender including any revenue from the STR in my projected income?

Any help from the community would be very much appreciated!

Post: Liveable Condition Flip

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Thank you Evan. What I'm looking to accomplish is a conservative, safe flip that does not require heavy duty rehab. Perhaps carpet and paint at the most to eliminate the need for a GC and get maximal value with limited risk since I would rely on an agent or other boots on the ground project manager of some sorts to keep an eye on it for me. 

Understood that it would not be easy to get much of a discount on houses that don't require much rehab or are not "distressed" - but perhaps a bit run down and just need some cosmetic upgrades that would not require a long drawn out rehab? Or "FHA fixes" that could address issues that would not pass FHA inspection?

In other words, a training wheels flip. And it cannot hurt to make offers right? With the goal of getting lucky and uncovering a motivated seller, etc. 

Post: Liveable Condition Flip

Kevin MurrayPosted
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Hello BP. I am a newbie investor interested to know if anyone has experience with safe, conservative "liveable condition" flips that do little more than get a house suitable for an occupant and able to pass inspection for a traditional loan. I mean less than $3k for minor repairs, maybe a little paint, and a top to bottom cleaning - and that's it. Since I'm in California and have no local investment options that I can remotely afford, I have no choice but to look out of state. Too early for me to do a BRRRR and I don't want to leave any cash in a deal right now. I realize long-distance traditional fix and flips are risky, especially for an inexperienced investor. With that said, I have seen some investors approach the deal as a wholesaler would, find a below-market deal or motivated seller to get the property under contract at a discount, and then just get a handyman in to get the property into "liveable condition", touch up paint, make sure everything is functional, do an intense cleaning, and then re-list the property for a small profit after closing costs etc, maybe using a flat rate listing service.

I have about $100k cash to invest, and so wouldn't need a lender for this type of deal but could use a bit of HM if the numbers make sense. Bottom line is making a huge profit is not important to me for my first deal, just doing a simple and conservative deal, learning a bit, and hopefully walking away with a few extra bucks would be my goal. No heavy duty rehab with a GC and all the risks that go with that, just a simple and very straightforward flip with minimal risk to get my feet wet. 

Curious if anyone has any thoughts on this or experience they could share. Again, I'm not trying to get walk away with stacks of cash here, just learn and eek out what profit I can and get to know the business. Keeping lenders, property managers, and GCs out of the whole thing for my first deal seems like a great way to roll with training wheels on for the first ride. 

Thanks to everyone for being awesome and so helpful. 



Rick, Curious if you'd had any luck with Victorville  or Lancaster? 

I'd love to get involved in this. If I have no experience but $75-100k to invest is it possible to find someone who may want to let me get into a deal with them?

Post: Finding an Investing Partner

Kevin MurrayPosted
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Originally posted by @Tom S.:

@Trace Wilson  One of my first deals I found a partner who put up the downpayment and I put the loan in my name, so we both had something into the deal.  I had good credit but not much money yet, while he had many loans in his name already and didn't want more.  So split everything 50/50 after that and it both worked well for both of us.

Good luck!

And you do this I assume by setting up an LLC and writing your arrangement into the operating agreement?

Post: Refinance under an LLC?

Kevin MurrayPosted
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Would they only consider me as the business owner or could my partner help me qualify?

Post: Refinance under an LLC?

Kevin MurrayPosted
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Originally posted by @Jacob Sampson:

There shouldn't be any issue refinancing with your properties held by an LLC. Happens all the time. The biggest reason it is no problem is that your bank is going to require you to personally sign for the debt. In fact you are probably personally liable for your current debt. The LLC does not protect you from the debt side, only the lawsuit side.

What I'm concerned about is not being approved. I have heard most banks shy away from LLCs and will not refi under it. 

Post: Refinance under an LLC?

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Hi everyone. I'm a new investor learning about the BRRRR process primarily as well as out of state investing in general, as I'm am in CA and prices are off the chart here. My challenge is all of the cash that I have to invest is in the name of my LLC. For various reasons I need to keep the cash and any investments I make under the umbrella of this LLC and cannot transfer into my personal name. For the time being I'd like to conduct all business under the LLC, but I'm questioning how easy it will be to refinance later on. I have heard mixed feedback on this topic, and am looking for a more definitive answer as to whether this is doable.

If anyone has experience with refinancing under an LLC or related financing strategies I would love to hear your input. Thanks so much.

Post: BRRRR Investing in Southern California

Kevin MurrayPosted
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Hey there Kevin. I just came across your post and was wondering how this all turned out? Did you end up investing in CA at all? I am in CA myself in LA and looking to get started. Curious if you ended up getting started out of state, and if so in what market?