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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 17 posts and replied 170 times.

Post: Discounted Cash Flow Analysis

Account ClosedPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Frank Gallinelli:

... understand that the purpose of the IRR calculation is to find the exact discount rate that would make the present value of the future cash flows equal to what you paid for them....

I hope that doesn't confuse him as it seems a very narrow way to look at the purpose of the IRR.

The IRR by definition is the discount rate that makes project cash flows equal the investment but some users of the IRR may view the use and purpose of the IRR as an investment evaluation tool for measuring the profitability, efficiency and quality of an investment compared to other alternatives.

Post: Discounted Cash Flow Analysis

Account ClosedPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Richard Haiber:

...Also, when you typically calculate a DCF for a property how are you personally determining what you'll use as your discount rate? Because depending on what discount rate you use, it will greatly affect your calculations. I understand you should use the "opportunity cost of capital" so am I just using whatever my desired rate of return per year happens to be for the investment..?

Thank you for your response, it's greatly appreciated!

The discount rate typically is the 'cost of funds'. Another way to look at it is the rate of return required by the investor to invest in the project. Different investors may require a different rate of return for their money based on the nature of the project and the perceived risk. The discount rate will typically only affect the Net Present Value NPV and not the IRR. The IRR also does have to be higher than the discount rate for the deal to make sense.

Post: Deal analysis spreadsheet file to share?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Douglas B.:

Does anyone with better Excel skills than me have a blank spreadsheet file to share? I'd like to have a spreadsheet to quickly determine things like NOI, CASHFLOW, CASH ON CASH, etc.

It's usually best to develop an analysis tool that is specific to your particular investment strategy. Most of the cookie cutter tools out there might be too general and with too little or too much information/variables to fit your particular case.

Post: Using NPV for real estate investments

Account ClosedPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Ned Carey:

@Account Closed ... I am not sure how you would use NPV in most real estate deals. Can you give me an example?

This really depends on the investor and nature of the deal. The net present value for instance would be a useful tool for many 'buy and hold' investors who acquire rentals, fix and rent the property (or properties) for a few years then sell them 5 or 8 years down the line. 

The IRR would also be applicable for such analysis. The central theme is to determine what the present value of all future project cash flows are worth today.

If you are just buying and flipping properties in 6 months or less, from a time value of money perspective, there are probably more simple forms of evaluating shorter term projects and probably why there often isn't much mention of it here.

Post: Discounted Cash Flow Analysis

Account ClosedPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Richard Haiber:

Quick question on discounted cash flow analysis for anyone who has any input on the topic.

You only use 'net cash flow' for computing IRRs, net present value etc. On rentals you want to use net operating income.

You might want to look at this to see how others are deriving their net operating income: http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2013/01/19/real-estate-math/

Post: How much to offer

Account ClosedPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Shana Smith:

So I saw a house and it was nice minimal work is needed. They want $90 for it and it is worth about 89 but it does need some work so so I am stuck.

You want to put a dollar value on 'minimal work'. Also, how are you getting the 89K value/ARV and why are they requesting an amount higher than the ARV on a property that does require some more work? Is the property for rental or fix and resale?

Post: Please help $41,000 paid to a guru company to be refunded !

Account ClosedPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Debbie Lee:

Hi to all investors out there, hope you have any advise or resource to help me out.

About 3 weeks ago I paid about $41,000 to a real estate investing company. After I have paid, their attitude and responsibility promised to me changed totally. Slowly I lost my trust on them, so decided to go ahead and ask for a refund...

Somebody tell me this is a joke right.. its got to be. 

You made a 40K 'donation' to this company for information on how to raise your credit card limit by 40K? 

Folks, am I misreading this or what am I missing here? You have got to be kidding me. So how much have they given you back this far?

Post: when someone misses property tax payments

Account ClosedPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Jack Rengold:

is it public record?

i tried getting a list of NOD/preforeclosures from my townhall but they said they dont have it and its only through a bank.

 It sounds like this is who you need to talk to: [email protected] ; this stuff often varies by state.

Post: Wholesaling and ARV

Account ClosedPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Hey guys I wanted to know how you guys do it to calculate the ARV to a home when wanting to have the ARV for wholesaling a property.

You want to either have access to MLS based sales comp data or have a realtor get you the information.

You will hear different people use zillow or other websites as the sole basis for deriving ARV. Doing such is as risky as whatever risk this fish took to get in the apparent predicament the fish appears to be in.

Post: Buying to Flip or Hold/Cashflow

Account ClosedPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Joseph Scorese:

There is always the debate which is the better direction. I see some borrowers handling both. Then some focusing on one or the other.

Where do you think is the point when a borrower should consider to Model out of SFR renovation rehab or Cash Flow and move up into small balance Multi Family or Development.

This varies on the business model and investor exit strategy. Either route and the investors personal circumstances may often have a different tax consequence that might essentially determine which route or business model the investor decides to utilize. Some like rental properties, some think renting could be a serious headache and yet at some stage some may try both. 

Like with any investment instrument or strategy, it does have to do with your risk tolerance, how you like to get paid, what you are familiar with etc.