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All Forum Posts by: John Wijtenburg

John Wijtenburg has started 3 posts and replied 89 times.

Post: Experienced Hotel Investor

John WijtenburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 72

@Anders Jax 

Thank you for your questions. These are good considerations, and I'll try to put it into context as best I can.

You are right to be concerned, as hotel investing is very different than apartments and even Airbnb. The similarities with homesharing apps, like Airbnb, stop at the nightly lease. Beyond that, a hotel is an operating business that has considerably different revenue management, yield management, and demand patterns.

To your questions:

A. Industry standard management fee is 3.0%. Small motels may charge as high as 5.0% and large convention hotels could charge as low as 2.0%. This management fee is for operational oversight, but all property management salaries and expenses are charged directly to the hotel.

The 8.0% you referred to is probably the franchise cost, and it can vary greatly depending on the brand. Many brands have a license fee in the 4-6% range and a separate marketing fee in that range. The license fee is a profit center for the brand, whereas the marketing fee is spent 100% on brand marketing (e.g. TV commercials, e-commerce, etc.). This is usually sufficient for a small rooms-only hotel, but you'll probably start taking on additional promotional costs when you are selling meeting space or food & beverage.

B. I've never operated an Airbnb, so my only reference point is stories from friends. That said, I would always align with an experienced operator for the first hotel investment. Additionally, most lenders would require you to do the same. There is a lot of room for error in operating a hotel with big margins, but there's also a big learning curve. Whatever benefit you give up from taking on a partner will be worth multiples in experience and avoiding disaster.

C. You can invest in an extended stay hotel to capture a similar guest, but they're two very different experiences. The hotel and homesharing market is reaching equilibrium. Demand for homesharing is starting to level off because the hype is dying and travelers have aligned their preferences. Airbnb is a distribution channel just like brand.com, Expedia, or Priceline is for hotels. There is some overlap, but travelers generally choose their lodging depending on their needs and perceived benefits of each lodging option.

D. Returns depend fully on the level of relative risk. On average, hotels trade at higher cap rates than other CRE asset classes because of the increase operational risk. As a result, cash-on-cash returns and IRRs tend to be higher. However, a value-add deal will deliver a different return to LPs than a core plus deal. As an LP, I would look for a solid preferred return in the 7-9% range and target levered IRR of 11-13% for core plus deals. Add 250-400bps to the IRR for value add deals depending on the renovation scope and projected operational enhancement.

I would say, if the Airbnb thing is working, keep doing it and become the expert. If they really want to branch out into hotels, align with a skilled operator to learn the business before trying to go it alone.

Please feel free to PM me with specific questions or to discuss further.

Post: Vacant Lot in a Planned Unit Development Community

John WijtenburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 72
@Matthew Shay I would talk to a net lease broker about tenant and buyer demand. You can develop the site with utilities, but the structure would differ based on the tenant. PM me if you'd like an intro to a couple good net lease brokers.

Post: Market Analysis software resources

John WijtenburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 72

CoStar is the go to for so much commercial property data.

Some other considerations:

  • CoStar - good for lease and sale comps
  • Real Capital Analytics - good for sale and refi comps - also collects some lender data
  • Trepp - THE source for CMBS data, including property performance
  • CityFeet - on market sale and lease information
  • Crexi - on market sale information
  • Reonomy - property information with owner names and contact info
  • LandVision - GIS with multiple data layers

(Pulled from my answer on: https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/32/topics/594...)

Post: Buying my first commercial property

John WijtenburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 72

@Dondi Sanchez Is city sewer available? If so, I would request a credit to, at the very least, connect the commercial building to the city sewer.

Post: Developers fee on build to suit?

John WijtenburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 72

Not sure about build to suit, but I can't imagine merchant builders are working for free.

Hotel construction usually has a developer fee of 3-4% of hard costs.

Post: Schools or class or training

John WijtenburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 72

I haven't use them, but REFM is pretty well respected: https://www.getrefm.com/

You may also find something at ULI that's worthwhile: https://uli.org/

I would also echo many of the comments above. Get a hold of a few good books before you spend too much money on courses. There's a ton of information available online across all asset classes.

Post: Commercial real estate investment

John WijtenburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 72

This is a very ambiguous question, but I'll take the challenge.

Commercial properties are valued very similarly to rental homes. Value of the property is composed of intrinsic property value and the value based on cash flow.

How much you invest in the property and how much you sell it for are related but separate. They're related in that the repairs will increase property value, and if you do it right, that increase will be greater than the amount you invested in improvements. However, the market will set the sale price, and the market doesn't really care how much you invested in to the deal.

You'll need two things for determining sale price - a market survey of recent sales and an operating pro forma. The market survey will give you price per sq. ft. and cap rates. You can then apply the market average cap rate to the operating proforma for the cash flow value.

I would recommend engaging a broker to do a lot of this work for you. They'll usually do it for free in a broker opinion of value (BOV) or broker price opinion (BPO). This is a service to show off their quality of work in an effort to win your business.

@Mitchell T. Welcome. I'm also in Plantation.

Sounds like you have some ambition. What property types interest you most? Are you open to commercial real estate?

Post: how do I come up with a cash offer number

John WijtenburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 72

Commercial real estate is partially about the property value, but mostly the value is derived from potential cash flow.

Start with a market rent survey. Call competing properties to get actual and asking rents. This will give you the potential gross revenue. Add some industry standard additional income for whatever other amenities exist on the property.

Try to get your hands on a few marketed deals in the area to get a sense of expenses. Go with industry standards if you can't find any quality information. You shouldn't have to go far for deals, though, if you're in a primary or secondary market.

You can now build a financial model around this operating projection.

Solve for pricing.

I heard a great offer strategy on a recent BP podcast - a tiered offer. Basically, your highest offer comes with the most contingencies, while the lowest is a cash, quick-close offer. This makes it easy for the seller to choose.

For example, assume you came to a $1,000,000 price in your analysis. A tiered offer could look like this:

  • $900,000 with 45 days due diligence, 30 days to close and a financing contingency
  • $850,000 with 30 days due diligence, 30 days to close
  • $750,000 with a $100,000 non-refundable deposit and 30 days to close

Post: SRO Conversion - any experience?

John WijtenburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 72

@Sydney Griggs

I haven't converted to market rate apartments, but I've spent some time on the concept for hotels.

Aside from configuration and structural considerations, your biggest issue will be existing tenants and local ordinances. Many SRO tenants, particularly in cities like Chicago, New York, and San Francisco, are protected by laws that prevent harassment to vacate the property. This means you need to come to an amicable, negotiated settlement to empty the building.