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All Forum Posts by: Michael Key

Michael Key has started 6 posts and replied 76 times.

Post: My Pet policy (first draft)

Michael KeyPosted
  • Entrepreneur & Real Estate Investor
  • Idaho
  • Posts 82
  • Votes 84

Asking to be provided proof of recent vaccinations of the pet will also help ensure you have a responsible pet owner.

And as @Steve Vaughan stated above, small dogs tend to do the most physical damage. People think of big dogs chewing things up and digging holes, but they're more likely to eat the couch, where a small dog is more likely to piddle everywhere and scratch up doors.

Just some food for thought. Cheers.

Post: The Dave Ramsey Dilemma

Michael KeyPosted
  • Entrepreneur & Real Estate Investor
  • Idaho
  • Posts 82
  • Votes 84

If you can't handle your money and have no self-control. Dave Ramsey might be able to help you. But he'll never help anyone build any real wealth with his ideas on ignoring credit and leverage.

Warm fuzzies won't generate wealth.

Post: Just finished the 3-day Rich Dad workshop... Now what?

Michael KeyPosted
  • Entrepreneur & Real Estate Investor
  • Idaho
  • Posts 82
  • Votes 84
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Hi all,

I just finished the 3-day Rich Dad workshop on real estate investing and I am eager to get started in this business. No, I did not sign up for their "Elite" training courses - I thought the $17k - $63k they were asking for could be better spent actually investing in real estate property (ha).

What I got out of the workshop was high motivation/inspiration and a wealth of information but not knowing where to even start. I'm overwhelmed to say the least. Before the workshop, my husband and I were pretty ignorant and getting ready to put a 20% down payment on a house to live in and take out a mortgage the traditional way. Now we are evaluating our options and thinking about using that down payment to buy a rental property instead. We were told a fourplex would be a good place to start. I have so many questions I don't even know where to begin but maybe I can start with these and someone can help us figure this out?

1. We were told we should start with the fourplex because we need four units to qualify as income (we live in Ohio). Is this true? A fellow workshopper rents out a single condo and said it counted as income for him so I wasn't sure which was true.

2. Do we really have to live in the fourplex if we get an FHA loan? For how long?

3. Where do we find a good deal on an off-market fourplex? If we shouldn't look on the MLS, where should we look? Any examples of pocket listing websites would be appreciated.

4. We eventually need to get a home for ourselves (we are currently in a small one-bedroom apartment and need more space.) How soon after getting a loan for the fourplex can we get another loan?

Sorry if any of the questions sound dumb - I really am a newbie in this! I do have more questions but they're a bit off-topic. I'll have to post a new thread. Thanks in advance for the help! :)

Congratulations and welcome. I'm going to jump right into the questions:

1.) I'm going with NO on this question. However I don't know what you were told exactly and it does sound a bit odd.

A single-family home, duplex or triplex could cash flow if the math is correct. And that would by definition be income. That's why the statement sounds a bit odd. Spend some time around here listening to the podcasts and attend some of the free webinars. This site has been a wealth of information for us.

2.) So we just investigated this ourselves as an option. And yes, if you use an FHA loan to utilize the 3.5% down, they require you to occupy it for 12 months.

3.) It's not that there aren't deals on the MLS, it's just that the pickings are a lot smaller. I wouldn't discount not looking on the MLS.

4.) You won't be able to get another FHA loan, and the time frame will depend on a few factors, DTI, income and ability to come up with down payment. Some investors are closing on more than one house at a time. Starting out, there is usually a bit more time involved between deals.

Post: Beginning Investor: Real Estate for the Shy

Michael KeyPosted
  • Entrepreneur & Real Estate Investor
  • Idaho
  • Posts 82
  • Votes 84

@Tyler Ellis - I'm an introvert myself. And that can make networking difficult. You'll discover in this game, or anything really with regards to success, that the biggest obstacle is always mental. The biggest thing you have to overcome is yourself. 

And if you want to grow, you're going to have to get outside your comfort zone. And just remember, most people are too busy worrying about what you think about them. We're really simple creatures.

A few things that have helped me over the years have been a few of the classics, "How to Win Friends and Influence People" And finding and connecting with a toast masters group. This is a group to help people develop the skill of public speaking. Talk about getting WAY outside your comfort zone. But luckily, you can fake it till you make it with a lot of easily learned skills. You can find a group on Meetup.com usually. And they cater to helping people develop these skills.


People love to talk about themselves. You don't need to be really out going to network. Just need to know some basic skills and how to ask proper questions to get people to do the talking for you. Confidence goes a long way in human relationships and so does a first impression.

I really wish I could put this into better context, but I'm kind of at a loss on how to type it out. But this is certainly something I can relate to, and I'm sure many others too. We've all been there.

Post: Can't buy a home???!!! Need help!!!

Michael KeyPosted
  • Entrepreneur & Real Estate Investor
  • Idaho
  • Posts 82
  • Votes 84

So, why can't you do 15-20% down? Income doesn't seem to be a problem. Just trying to understand the hindrance.

Credit shouldn't be a problem with the stated income, a bank should be able to see that. Are you working with the bank you have your checking with? Or just trying to go straight to private and portfolio lenders?

Post: Another house flipped

Michael KeyPosted
  • Entrepreneur & Real Estate Investor
  • Idaho
  • Posts 82
  • Votes 84

Wow, what a transformation. Great work and congrulations. 

Post: 0% APR Credit Cards with balance tranfer and checks

Michael KeyPosted
  • Entrepreneur & Real Estate Investor
  • Idaho
  • Posts 82
  • Votes 84
Originally posted by @Miguel G.:
Originally posted by @Todd Plambeck:

The biggest issue with using credit cards like this is that is crushes your debt to income ratio and your credit utilization if you end up needing to roll the flip into a long term loan.  I did it and my credit score went from 835 to 704 in one month.  It bounced right back after I sold the house and paid them all off but it hurts in the meantime.

Yes, I understand. My goal is to pay off the balance in 12 months. Thus, I'm looking for credit cards with 0%APR for 16+ plus. The last 6 months should help get my credit score back up just in time for another loan.

Even with 0% APR, the problem is that revolving credit is a bigger drag on your score than installment credit. I experienced the same thing as Todd. Had excellent credit, but briefly utilized about 50% of my revolving and the score dropped a significant amount over the time I carried it. From 820 to 705.

I swapped that out to an installment loan, same amount and like magic (it's not though) it went back up. 

Lenders tend to really care about the credit utilization ratio. An installment loan is a fixed payment, credit cards could change and vary and look riskier in their minds. Even if you have a 0 APR for 12 months card.

On another note, I haven't seen any cards with 0 APR longer than an introduction period of 12-14 months lately. Last offer was from Chase on balance transfers over 5K for one year.

Post: Ideas for raising money quickly for next rental property?

Michael KeyPosted
  • Entrepreneur & Real Estate Investor
  • Idaho
  • Posts 82
  • Votes 84

Any possibly of earning additional income or seeking new employment?  In your situation, I would be looking to increase my income. Lenders want to know you have the ability to repay your loan. The greater your income, the more confident they'll be. Stock trading doesn't generate confidence overnight. It's an indicator of risk.

I would take others advice here about continuing your education here with BP and looking at solid ways to raise your income level. Be it another job or a new side hustle such as becoming a realtor.

Post: My first year plan starts yesterday

Michael KeyPosted
  • Entrepreneur & Real Estate Investor
  • Idaho
  • Posts 82
  • Votes 84

Welcome! That's a geat plan and vision you've set. And one that is totally doable with some hustle.


We are getting started in Boise, ID ourselves, so maybe sometime in the future we'll connect. 

Post: Looking to connect w/ realtors & wholesalers in Boise metro area

Michael KeyPosted
  • Entrepreneur & Real Estate Investor
  • Idaho
  • Posts 82
  • Votes 84

Thank you for the warm welcome everyone. I apologize for not adding more specificity to my initial posting.

We've settled on first trying to find a multi-family that we can rehab and make work as a house hack. Our oldest has some needs that will require us to stay put for awhile. And Boise is a great match, both now and it seems long term. My goal for our family longer term is to buy and hold, and diversify as we learn more. But 2016 is basically "Find and purchase a multi-family" - I'm really interested in both triplex's and duplex's. 

We're actually in Sandpoint, ID right now with some friends who just closed on a house here. We will make it priority to get to the next meetup. Our first action item however is get to the area and start driving around.