All Forum Posts by: Justin Buswell

I've been a member of Gator and Sub2 for 2 years. I've made money because of both. They are both worth every cent.

That said they are both oversold on what they will do for you.  More than 50% (guessing) get nothing out of the program.  I've spoken to many many people who backed off on the program.  I've spoken to a ton who think Pace is a crook.  I've spoken to a ton that think Pace is the 2nd coming who walks on water and pees liquid silver.  The zealots are the worst!

There are a ton of scammers, liars, and low-quality humans in the group. There are also a ton of people there just to sell to you as a member.  Then there is everyone else.  Normal people who were sold a dream and read all the content and try to apply it.  Many of them screw up.  Many more don't 

Each group has a facebook group that is HEAVILY sculpted, censored and injected with propaganda.  So if you do get ripped off, or warn people of ripp offs your post gets deleted and you get a warning.  Do it too much they remove you from the Facebook Group.

This is the worst part of the Group and the reason I can't recommend it to anyone.  That and that it is first and foremost the top of the funnel for the PM organization to keep getting money out of you.

Quote from @Nate Marshall:

Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 

 you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

For me Jerryl's offering don't work out at all.   

In the end they refunded us so I am not as out on them.  They did not have to do that as they have no refund policy. 

They took over a month to on board us. After 3 weeks they said that the address of our LLC was the issue. This is the same LLC and address that I use for 10 other services including competitive SMS services.

So we gave them a new LLC and they finally got us up and running about 3 weeks later. Their deliverability was way below what they advertised. We got a lot more opt outs than with the competition and after the headache of getting up and running we just wanted out..They initially would not give us a refund but in the end they did.

 I have to agree.  Stay away from Launch Control.  

Our experience with Launch Control was horrific.  They over sold their capabilities and had issue after issue getting us on boarded.  We asked for a refund, which they refused.  We canceled and went back to the platform we had used before them.  All the SMS services have issues but LC is not one I would use.

Sub2 is just a fraction of the content. Yes, it looks cool on Instagram and sells a lot of memberships but you get in the group and find many reasons to focus on more traditional strategies right away. All the acquisition and exit strategies are covered not just Sub2. There is also business buying and more.

My impression is it's not even 80/20.  Its more like 98/2 with an additional 5% saying they do stuff so they can get a piece of someone else's hard work while they have not done anything and live in their mom's basement.

All that said there is value well over the cost for those who apply themselves to deriving the value. 

Good luck out there.  

 there is certainly value in the membership.  Quantifying it is more challenging.  I don't know what it costs now, but it was $9k when I joined.  It's been WELL worth that to me.  My business which owes some thanks to the program will do over $50K this month.  

That said it is way oversold and there is a lot of dark side as well.

There is certainly value but you won't get an honest review in a public forum on Pace.  Also if you are not careful in his group you may shave your head and spend your days at the airport handing out flowers.   This guy has as much in common with David Coresh and Jim Jones as he does with David Green or Carlton Sheets.

I am a member/subscriber of Pace Morby Subto, Limitless Deal Flow, and Gator.   I am also a member/subscriber of Vodessey, Short Sale Prophets Basic, and several others.  I am happy to talk to anyone about my experience and views on these mentorships.  I would say first and foremost go download the "Guru Manifesto" from Vena Jones Cox who is by far my favorite educator.  Subscribe to her podcast too.  She's great and free (sure there is a paid option - Of course).

Also, keep in mind that some mentorships are lifelong and have conduct rules.  IE if you were to be "negative" you could be thrown out which is a pretty stiff penalty given the costs.  You will not get full honest reviews publically on any program. 

None of these programs contains magic.   They contain shortcuts to knowledge and potentially community.  You can get all that knowledge elsewhere it will likely take a lot longer.  Also for all the value they provide the number 1 thing they all exist to do is enrich the Guru and give him a captive audience to sell more stuff to.  Yes, there can be value in there but as a member subscriber, you will get non-stop solicitation.

Recently I had one of my Gurus tell me I would never get success with their basic program (of course this is well after I bought it) and I needed to spend $75K!!!!! for their one on one program.  Education on real estate appears to be a much better business than real estate itself.