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All Forum Posts by: Benjamin Cowles

Benjamin Cowles has started 92 posts and replied 441 times.

Post: Subject To - Dodd Frank - Simple Scenario

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @John Thedford:
Originally posted by @Benjamin Cowles:

@Liz Pineda and @Robert Carpenter excuse me if I'm missing something, but doesn't buying something involve someone also selling something?  If I'm about to engage in a seller financing transaction with a seller, shouldn't I be knowledgeable of and educate the seller on Dodd Frank and seller financing or does it not somehow apply to him/her? Are you saying these rules don't apply to selling to investors?  Thanks

That is not your job to educate a seller on DF or any other points of law. YOU need to know and understand what actions are legal for you to take.  I believe there is still a lot of misinformation on DF and there are a lot of attorneys hoping to line their pockets from lenders that violated the statutes. We regularly see advertisements from some asking if borrowers have been victims of predatory loans, had lenders refuse to work with them refinancing, etc. All it takes is one really bad one to cost a lender lots of time and money...regardless of who wins, intent, etc. You can buy as many properties as you want, all seller financed, and from sellers who write loans in violation of DF. If the terms are great, take the loan! Seller financing is 100 times easier than getting a bank loan.

 Thanks John. I just don't want to ask anyone to do anything against their best interest.  i guess I'm looking to make that "win win" situation. And I don't really understand the implications of this whole DF thing in the first place as real estate past and present in general is pretty new to me. Alright, back to digging through these threads ..

sooo, what happens if you or your RLMO originate a non-qualified mortgage and your buyer stops paying and they say you didn't properly qualify them? The judge says 'congratulations defendant, the house is yours!'? Sorry, I've been reading thread after thread as most go over my head and I've yet to find one 'for dummies'. Thanks

Post: Subject To - Dodd Frank - Simple Scenario

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Bill Jones:

All the above is correct re DF here's how to protect the buyer and seller and minimize the risk with Sub2

The Dreaded Due on Sale Clause..

First what the heck is it?

It's a clause in a mortgage, which provides that at the option of the lender, the entire unpaid balance of the loan is due and payable immediately upon failure to make required payments or upon sale of the property. Also know as an acceleration clause.

A little history lesson…

In the old days when banks loaned money and took back a 30-year mortgage that's exactly what you got.It didn’t matter if you sold the property to someone else that loan stuck with the property for 30 years and could be taken over and paid by anyone.

Well, in the early 70's banks, lenders, state governments and other interested parties were so upset that they were getting stuck with low interest rates, missing out on taxes, assumption and other sale fees, that lenders started adding due on sale acceleration clause to their contracts.

As you can imagine, a lot of borrowers thought this was unfair and brought suit against banks and lenders.Unfortunately around 1979 the United States Supreme Court found in favor of the banks, and today the due on sale -acceleration clause (usually paragraph 17) is found in most if not all conventional mortgages.

For years now buyers and sellers have been trying various ways to get around the problem. The leading real state books and educators teach the following basic approaches to buy real estate creatively.Some good and some not so good.Later I'll discuss the pros and cons of the best creative financing methods so you can determine which to use for your particular situation

Land Contracts

Options, Leases, Options to purchase

AITD's (All inclusive trust deeds or wraps)

Seller carry back deeds of trusts/mortgages

Taking subject to the existing financing

Not recording the deed, which is dangerous if not properly protected

Recording a memorandum of agreement

Trusts:Transfer the property to the sellers trust, get the bank to approve the transfer and then have the beneficiary of the sellers trust changed to the buyer.

Just transferring title into the buyers name hoping the lender won't call the loan.

Equity share

Any of these will trigger the due on sale clause and as a buyer or seller if you haven't put safeguards in place, you are unprotected against claims against the title from showing up and or the lender calling the loan due.

Are you prepared to take the chance that the seller may further encumber the property or resell to someone else?That the loan and taxes are being paid? Or the bank might find out about the transfer and call the loan due in 30 days and you lose your money and investment?It's happened. Unless you've got the credit to get a new loan or the cash in the bank I wouldn’t take the chance

What about the money?

Probably one of the most important issues that is never addresses in creative financing books is how the money is handled…

Money needs to be handled properly right from the inception of the deal.A buyer wants to make sure his hard earned monthly payments go to pay the loan.Sellers want to make sure the loan(s) and taxes are paid.

Is there anyway to get safely around the dreaded due on sale clause acceleration clause? While protecting the buyer and sellers interests? You Bet

Here it is in a Nutshell. (This is what I use in California)

The concept is to keep the fact that the property has been transferred private.

The sales transaction remains unrecorded i.e. the deed is not recorded or the contract of sale or the financing agreement.

The transaction is maintained in the records of a settlement /escrow management company

Enough documentation is recorded to protect the seller and buyer in the chain of title without making the fact that the property was transferred public record

Existing loans, taxes, insurance are paid by the buyer into a collection account, which in turn pays all the accounts required to service the property

Recording a deed or contract is not required in most states to make a valid transfer

Not disclosing the new sale to the underlying lender is not illegal in most states

Keeping the transfer from the lender is not a crime or against the law. The act of the transfer is a breach of contract and only cause for the loan to be accelerated

OK sounds good, just how do we do it?

Let's put it all together

Seller signs a deed giving buyer ownership

The seller would agree to execute a grant deed (warranty deed, whatever its called in your state) in favor of the buyer

The deed is held unrecorded by the escrow management company until the loans in the seller's name have been paid or assumed.(If the seller doesn't like until paid try this. Buyer agrees to use best efforts to pay off existing loans that are in sellers name within five years of close of escrow.)

Protection for the seller

Buyer will execute a quitclaim deed back to the seller, which is held in escrow unrecorded

How to protect the buyer in the chain of title and potential future creditors of the seller.

For the buyers protection a lien of some percentage (I like to see at least 20%) of the purchase price in favor of the buyer executed by the seller will be recorded a "Sellers Performance Deed of Trust" The buyer will appear to be a juniors lender for public record purposes.

The seller is protected

For the sellers protection a reconveyance of said deed shall be executed by the buyer, which would be recorded in the event of a default upon request of the seller, which remains uncured for sixty (60) days upon written notice of default, has been mailed to the buyer

This would allow the management company to unilaterally remove buyers cloud on the title by using the pre-signed reconveyance if the default was not cured as outlined.

 Nice chunk of good info. Thanks!

Post: Subject To - Dodd Frank - Simple Scenario

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32

@Liz Pineda and @Robert Carpenter excuse me if I'm missing something, but doesn't buying something involve someone also selling something?  If I'm about to engage in a seller financing transaction with a seller, shouldn't I be knowledgeable of and educate the seller on Dodd Frank and seller financing or does it not somehow apply to him/her? Are you saying these rules don't apply to selling to investors?  Thanks

Post: Finding motivated sellers (my list)

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32

Holy crap that's some list! Thanks

Post: Driving for dollars question......again

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32

I'm not sure what Bill was saying exactly there in any of his response. Can Anyone else chime in on their experiences? Is this not a usual method for finding deals? If not what is the point? If so please share. 

Post: Ok Sooo Ive found properties to Wholesale but can't find the Owners.

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Ryan Dossey:

You don't really have it to wholesale till you have the price negotiated and the price locked under contract. 

I've a piece of pizza right in front of me -to eat, but I haven't actually taken a bite. Am I getting ahead of myself here lol? Your wording is fine Makita. He was just picking on you. 

Post: Probates w/ PO boxes -how do you figure out actual address?

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @David Dey:

My favorite way of tracking down heirs is through the obituaries.

Many list the spouses and heirs along with city and state.

Then, truth be told, there are so many ways to find them online.  There's not too many ways to hide these days.

Here are some of the simpler ways:

Whitepages/anywho/zabasearch/etc

If you know what city or state the heir lives in, look up their name in the property appraisers site and manytimes you'll find them.

Amazingly enough, Google is one of the most overlooked places to look up someone.  

Facebook/Twitter/LinkedIn/etc

I have been successful with a combination of these tools and others in finding 85-90% of my skips without needing pay for skip services.  (Though I do have a private eye on retainer and some of the cooler skiptrace tools as well)  I feel more personal accomplishment finding them myself.

 Thanks David, I'll look into yoir suggestions. ...are you saying cross check the probates with obituaries? Or just do a separate campaign starting from obituaries? 

Post: Probates w/ PO boxes -how do you figure out actual address?

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32

some sort of skip tracing? Contact the attorney? Sounds like something they wouldn't just divulge. Just market to/through them while you're there and hope the property is within your farm zone? What do you guys do? I just started checking these out in the public notices. Thanks 

Post: First YL campaign HELP

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Michael Quarles:

Hiring it out.

I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people who will write envelopes. For .25 cents

And please don't use a font.

Michael what did you mean by this? I created my own font with this nice app and transferred it to my word app and have created some nice looking letters this way, and even throw in a little art into it -from your advice -for absentees. I thought it would be a nice compromise between fully handwritten and printed. What do you think? Not sure if it would be good for probates and preforeclosures but I'm going to test them out on absentees.