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All Forum Posts by: Josiah Mann

Josiah Mann has started 9 posts and replied 43 times.

Post: Multi Family Brokers In KC?

Josiah MannPosted
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  • Springfield, MO (springfield mo)
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 12

Does anyone know of some good MultiFamily brokers in KC?

Post: What's the downside to buying myself a portfolio?

Josiah MannPosted
  • Specialist
  • Springfield, MO (springfield mo)
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 12

Just an update on this... 

I talked to the Agent today and she told me who the owner was. He's a well known slumlord in our area who's 200k behind on taxes. Good thing I knew the name when she mentioned it:)

Post: What's the downside to buying myself a portfolio?

Josiah MannPosted
  • Specialist
  • Springfield, MO (springfield mo)
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 12

Thanks @Tim W. I wondered about the down payment. Is it possible to get a down payment through a second mortgage from a traditional bank? Seems like they wouldn't want to be in position 2...

Post: What's the downside to buying myself a portfolio?

Josiah MannPosted
  • Specialist
  • Springfield, MO (springfield mo)
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 12

I've come across a few 100+ unit portfolios of single family and small multi-family properties in my local market that I'm interested in purchasing. The main reason for my interest in these specifically is that they offer owner financing and I don't have the equity or cash to get in another way at the moment.

My main question is, assuming I put very good property management in place, get a good price based on actual rent rolls and P&Ls, and due my diligence thoroughly (including inspecting every unit), is there any downside that I might be overlooking?

Post: How do you find and analyze emerging markets across the States?

Josiah MannPosted
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  • Springfield, MO (springfield mo)
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Brian Adams:

@Josiah Mann, thanks!!

Yes I do follow a process. As a CPA I am all about checklists, systems and process. 

The biggest thing for me in evaluating a market, and some smart people in this thread have already covered it - is Job and Economic Growth. 

From a process perspective, I try to keep my real estate investing approach simple and it boils down to 2 things - "Deals & Dollars". I need the right Deal to show my investors, and I need the right investor (Dollars) for the Deal.

I work the system backwards meaning if I know what my investor is looking for like a value-add deal in X market, their return and cash flow requirement of Y, and their amount of capital to invest is Z, I go shopping in the market to find a good deal for the investor. 

If I don't like the core fundamentals of that market, I let the investor know my reasons so I can educate them and hopefully show them a deal in a market that does meet their requirements.

Hope this makes sense...

 Yes, it does. Thanks for boiling it down a bit further.

"Deals and Dollars" sounds like what Lance Edwards focuses on in his book "How To Make Big Money in Small Apartments". You're clearly going for bigger deals, like I plan to myself, but deals and dollars seems to be a good way to reduce things.

Thanks again.

Post: How do you find and analyze emerging markets across the States?

Josiah MannPosted
  • Specialist
  • Springfield, MO (springfield mo)
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Brian Adams:

@Matt McCourry, curious to gain more insight from you why you don't like Atlanta?

I am under contract on a 240 unit deal in Atlanta, B asset in a B- area, purchase price is $9.4 million and it appraised at $9.9 million. In my opinion, the core fundamentals of this market are still very strong and my exit strategy is to sell this asset in the next 3 to 5 years.

I have experience with emerging markets as my 200+ unit deal I bought in Dallas, TX for $6 million in July 2014, I refi'd in October 2015 for over $10 million and will be selling in 2016.

 That's a heck of a deal Brian! 

You mention the "core fundamentals" in that market are good.  Do you have a specific process or model you use follow for evaluating a given market?

Post: How do you find and analyze emerging markets across the States?

Josiah MannPosted
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  • Springfield, MO (springfield mo)
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 12

Hi Eric, 

I'm just getting started in rei but the topic of emerging markets has been my focus as of late as it's clearly a vital factor in buying right. 

The only real book I've found on the topic is a book called Emerging Real Estate Markets by Dave Lindahl. He has a list of economic indicators he looks at, which seem to revolve around new jobs coming to the area and watching building permits (among other things).

Thanks for the thread, I'm very interested to hear about your and other investors thoughts on the subject. 

Post: Multifamily PEAK coming to fruition?

Josiah MannPosted
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  • Springfield, MO (springfield mo)
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 12

I just finished a Dave Lindahl book on Emerging Real Estate Markets where he talks about many of these things. The book takes a local perspective and shows how housing prices cycle up and down in a given city based on economic changes. 

Though I'm not an expert myself on markets, my understanding is that Dave and his students continued to see success even in the national downturn in 2008-2012 through applying that understanding.

Has anyone else read Emerging Real Estate Markets by Dave Lindahl?

Post: Multifamily PEAK coming to fruition?

Josiah MannPosted
  • Specialist
  • Springfield, MO (springfield mo)
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Joel Owens:

I have been saying this for awhile that the market is frothy and that IF you buy larger multifamily you better be using conservative underwriting numbers.

Those placing money into properties with the prediction of above markets numbers continuing indefinitely you are in for a big surprise.

Multifamily Overbuilding

 Are you referring to a National peak or just looking at the specific markets?

Post: Great Webinar now take action

Josiah MannPosted
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  • Springfield, MO (springfield mo)
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 12

Hi Philip,

I didn't get a chance to watch the webinar, but along with you, I'm definitely taking going to be buying apartment complexes in the US very shortly and looking to build relationships with investors. I'm currently studying emerging market trends so I have a good idea what market to hit :) 

Have you read anything of Dave Lindahl's?