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All Forum Posts by: Joseph O'Sullivan

Joseph O'Sullivan has started 7 posts and replied 45 times.

Post: Seeking Advice! How Much Should I Offer for the Remaining 2 Units in the Building?

Joseph O'Sullivan
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  • New to Real Estate
  • NE Florida
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 21

Yair,

As a newbie to real estate, it is exciting to see experienced investors using the forums as a peer sounding board for big decisions!

I am enjoying the discussion/advice shared regarding your 6Plex and I hope you share how it all turns out later on!

Sincerely,

Joe

Post: TSP Loans - Current Pros and Cons

Joseph O'Sullivan
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  • NE Florida
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 21
Quote from @David M.:

@Joseph O'Sullivan

Its a matter of opportunity cost...  You realize that if you were in the C fund last year, you'd be up ~27%?  Yes, the market goes up and down (and that example is one fantastic year, although we've had a lot of them)...  I know this is a real estate forum, but just realize that you'd have missed that AND lost 5% since you have to pay yourself the G fund rate, vs. the G fund paying you.

I'm not anti-real estate, but I don't prefer it when people take extra risks with their retirement.  You can still lose money in real estate.  Look at any graph youwant, but just realize what really matters is what your "ONE" property is worth.

5yr term isn't bad, but you need to have a solid plan to get that paid back.

brrr is a great strategy, however, its difficult to pull off 100%.  We had a long thread about that a while back, before rates shot up.  So, it'll be even harder now.  Lets face it, a brrr is basically a flip you don't sell.  Who really thinks making a profit on a flip isn't risky??

Don't forget that the tsp repayment will be counted against your DTI when looking at conforming loans.

Otherwise, it seems like you understand the risks.  Its up to your investing strategy and goals.  Depends on how you want to look at it:  opportunity cost?  diversification?  education?

Hope this helps. Happy to chat.  Good luck.


 Thanks for that great insight David!

I appreciate you sharing some specifics on the risks with a real life example ( I have not been paying attention to that detail, so that is good education for me).

I do get the idea that if it's a good year, I am missing out on good TSP compounding due to a loan for real estate. My thought was more that the real estate may not pay as much immediately, but to start building a portfolio, it might pay out bigger in the long term, if it becomes the stepping stone to start the process of buying multiple properties over time.

Of course, this is all conceptual and I can see the possibility that it might not play out like that due to unforeseen market conditions, etc. Right now I am in the study and evaluation phase and I may not need the TSP loan by the time I get to the first deal, but just trying to soak in the pro and cons of all options.

Your feedback is definitely some strong food for thought on why it might be preferrable to avoid a TSP loan or keep it as a last resort when I am sure I can pay it back quickly.

Thanks again for the thoughtful comment.

Sincerely,

Joe

Post: 1031 Transfer Question

Joseph O'Sullivan
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  • New to Real Estate
  • NE Florida
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 21

Hi All,

As I am reading and listening to podcasts and soaking in info for my first rookie deal, I have been learning the basics on the 1031 transfer concept that can come into play down the road.

The question that occurred to me (apologies if it is obvious) is about state lines.  Can I sell a property in one state and then do the 1031 transfer to a bigger property in another state withing the 45 day window, or does the transfer have to stay within the same state?

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Joe

Post: TSP Loans - Current Pros and Cons

Joseph O'Sullivan
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  • NE Florida
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 21
Quote from @Ben Zimmerman:

As Joe mentioned, you are paying the interest back into your TSP account, so you aren't "losing" money by paying interest which is very nice. With only a $50 or $100 origination fee, and "essentially" not losing any money to an interest rate, TSP loans are probably one of your cheaper loan options out there.

I just took out a 40+k loan from my TSP to invest in other ventures and it was a very simple and straightforward process. My only problem was that the longest repayment period you can choose is only 60 months, which means that your monthly payments on a 40-50k loan is probably in the $700-$1000 range per month.

This means that it will be extremely likely that you will be cashflow negative from whatever investment you are looking to buy and will need to be able to cover that monthly spread out of pocket.  Having a mortgage payment plus needing to pay an extra $1k/mo towards this TSP loan will crush any cashflow you had hoped for.  

In some cases this can still be a good option, just be cognizant of how high the monthly payments will be due to the short duration that these loans are for.

Ben,
Thanks for that feedback.  What you explained about your experience with negative cash flow makes total sense.  I was envisioning a two part calculation for the monthly mortgage payment - I see it as a VA loan analogy with no money down but the loan structured with two interest rates (one for the TSP down payment and one for the 30 yr fixed rate mortgage).

I guess the real question to ask myself (using your situation as the model, assuming positive cash flow once TSP is repaid) is whether I am okay tolerating the potential 60 months of negative cash flow to get to the positive cash flow after 5 years.
- Maybe if it gets the deal going and leads to a cash out refinance before the 5 year mark that allows me to speed up the TSP pay off.

Wow - Great food for thought.  Thanks again for sharing...I'm taking notes and learning !!! :-)
Sincerely,
Joe


Post: First rental property investment

Joseph O'Sullivan
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  • New to Real Estate
  • NE Florida
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 21
Quote from @Hamp Lee III:
Quote from @Joseph O'Sullivan:
Quote from @Hamp Lee III:
Quote from @Joseph O'Sullivan:
Quote from @Hamp Lee III:

Congrats on your purchase!

If you're active duty, make sure to use your VA loan at your next location. I have three VA loans right now...

I wish you all the best.


 Hamp,

When you say 3 VA loans, was that because your combined purchases were below your VA loan threshold, or was it that your rental income paid down the VA loan opening that money up for use again as a new VA loan?

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Joe


My three homes were below the total VA loan limit. Two of them are rentals now. I didn't have to refinance them or pay them down.


 Thanks Hamp,

That was a great strategy.  Did you live a year in each one and then buy the next one to meet the primary resident requirement?

I need to call and find out my limit to see where I stand with that approach.  Doubt I can move to do that for a few years, but I like having it in my back pocket for future!

Sincerely,

Joe

I lived in each house for about 18 months. I moved out of necessity, but it all worked out.

Some lenders require a reason for moving into a new property with a VA loan (e.g., downsizing, marriage, moving, etc.), some do not.


 Very cool that it worked out.  Thanks for the tip about some lenders wanting a reason for moving.

Sincerely,

Joe

Post: TSP Loans - Current Pros and Cons

Joseph O'Sullivan
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  • Posts 45
  • Votes 21
Quote from @Jonathan Bock:

What type of deal?

What are your other options for liquidity ?  

Why real estate?  

Not an interrogation but so much to unpack here....

No judgement either, I have borrowed from qualified plans and have done early withdrawals too. 

Jon Bock, CPA/PFS


 Thanks for the note Jon.

Great questions and to the point.

No particular deal, just trying to assess all my options, so I have a good grasp on my financial resources ahead of finding the first deal.

Why real estate? I guess because it makes sense to me. I have read about it over the years and while is seemed a big far-fetched when I was younger, I am now at a place where I can see the logic of the expansion over multiple properties - I think it was the BRRRR method that really sold me - where each property can contribute to the down payment of the next property (Still have a lot to learns about the mechanics of that and the balance of the extra monthly payment cost of the cash out re-finance, but I can visualize the logic of the concept).

Sincerely,

Joe

Post: First rental property investment

Joseph O'Sullivan
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  • New to Real Estate
  • NE Florida
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 21
Quote from @Hamp Lee III:
Quote from @Joseph O'Sullivan:
Quote from @Hamp Lee III:

Congrats on your purchase!

If you're active duty, make sure to use your VA loan at your next location. I have three VA loans right now...

I wish you all the best.


 Hamp,

When you say 3 VA loans, was that because your combined purchases were below your VA loan threshold, or was it that your rental income paid down the VA loan opening that money up for use again as a new VA loan?

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Joe


My three homes were below the total VA loan limit. Two of them are rentals now. I didn't have to refinance them or pay them down.


 Thanks Hamp,

That was a great strategy.  Did you live a year in each one and then buy the next one to meet the primary resident requirement?

I need to call and find out my limit to see where I stand with that approach.  Doubt I can move to do that for a few years, but I like having it in my back pocket for future!

Sincerely,

Joe

Post: Real Estate Newbie - Introduction Post

Joseph O'Sullivan
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  • New to Real Estate
  • NE Florida
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 21
Quote from @Sophia Buesing:

Hi Joseph! Welcome to the forum! That is a great goal. Would love to connect! 


Hi Sophia,

Thanks for the encouragement!

Sincerely,

Joe

Post: Teaching your kids about real estate investing

Joseph O'Sullivan
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  • Posts 45
  • Votes 21
Quote from @David Avery:

Hi Joe. 

Let's get this started. 

I  have 2 sons 38 ,40 .

They were around me for over 30 years .

I taught them the same .

Had them with me full time for over a decade.,( about 900). Re hab properties. 

Everything about Rehab and Real Estate. 

My 40 year old lives in house.  

My 38 owns 11 houses in Salt Lake City, Utah.  NET WORTH OVER 7 MILLION. 

They love me and are happy. 


 David, 

That is amazing.  Did you first teach them by having them with you and listening during meetings or did you give them a book to read?

Thanks 

Sincerely,

Joe

Post: Real Estate Newbie - Introduction Post

Joseph O'Sullivan
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Quote from @Michael Smythe:

Welcome.

Make sure you take the time to understand Property Class types, so your expectations are aligned with the performance of these classes.


Thanks Michael,

I appreciate the advice.

Sincerely,

Joe