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All Forum Posts by: Jonn Vidal

Jonn Vidal has started 73 posts and replied 154 times.

OMG ain't that the ugly truth!

First of thanks each and everyone for their input!!

It keeps bewildering me why its mostly agents calling as if they're making $$$ by 'helping' squeeze al these 'special cases ' into our homogenously male student household. 

Intimidation into accepting exceptions does seem to be modus operandi so to speak.  What leaves me hanging in each case time and time again is why is an agent dealing with placing roommates rather than listing/selling homes.. must be for community service?!

Originally posted by @Linda Weygant:

As somebody sharing your home, you have a lot more leeway with choosing who to rent to than a typical landlord. California has some interesting laws and I don't know them all, but generally:

1. You can choose not to co-habitate with somebody of the opposite sex.

2. You also can refuse pets. Service animals are another ball of wax and there are a ton of posts on BP about them. You cannot refuse to rent to somebody solely due to their need for a service animal. Usually there are many other reasons to refuse to them including "I live here too. I didn't like that person. I didn't think we'd get along."

3. There are limits to the number of unrelated people who can live together in a single family house. Where I am, it's 5. In order to be fair, I don't allow multiple occupancy in any of my rooms. Even though it's a four bedroom house and technically I could have one bedroom with double occupancy, I just say that it's not fair to anybody else who might come along, so the same rule has to apply to everybody.

4. Disabilities - no, you are not required to modify your residence for tenants with disabilities. This is a federal rule. At the most what you have to do is allow the tenant to pay out of their own pocket to modify your home with the understanding that they must return it to its original condition upon termination.

California in general and Los Angeles in particular are very tenant friendly, so you may want to brush up on your local laws.

That said, Craigslist is a hive of scum and villainy. Pull your ad off of there. Instead, try a service like roommates.com or zillow's rental listing service (which pushes out to Trulia and HotPads) and the like. Seriously, Craigslist is the worst.

PS. Don't be afraid to hang up on some of these folks and block the number. You won't convince them you're not breaking any laws and they don't get to beat you up like this.

Wow! Thanks Linda & Sklyer! I thought my first post would just be a few lines of questions but as I explained the scenarios of just 5 or so recent calls, I realize I could write a short novel all about it.

I've started cutting and pasting the numbers into google and it shows which agents are calling me right down to name, license #, etc. Overall, I'm most intrigued by how agressive, threatening, and determined some of the agents are to practically circumvent the no principals disclaimer as well as tenant screening overall and just start dishing out statutes in exchange for a blind appointment 'or else'!

I'm wonder how in the world are they getting away with misleading statements and and blatantly dishing out incorrect legal advice in order to confuse and thus get their 'foot in the door' under the threat of potential client being 'visited by authorities'.

Gosh, I wish I had recorded some of these conversations. I will start doing so from now on. Too many crazies on CL indeed and apparently some of them really are licensed Agents from the looks of it. Never again!

I picture the situation of them needing to empty a house in order to close and knowing its easier to qualify for a room thru an individual owner rather than an apartment through a PM company.. but that part is just a hunch.

Again I'm compassionate about all genders, sexes, disabilities, etc but we purchased a single family residence because we do refuse to live under the same roof as another family, indeed.  We're focused on studies and maintaining quiet enjoyment of our own new household, kitchen, bath, design, cleanliness, non co-ed freedom, etc.

 Are agents spitefully and/or desperately calling principals-only ads and dishing out misleading incorrect legal advice in order to get their foot in the door and/or to vacate an urgent closing deal or the like, not worried about open investigations by CalBRE?


(Off to delete CL ad and start blocking those agent's (per Google) numbers... though it seems some have more than one #; same voice, different #)

^ Yay, my first post!  BTW I forgot to mention that we state clearly in our ad PRINCIPALS only yet its mostly AGENTS calling with the above scenarios and jargon.. might there also be any recourse with that or just stating PRINCIPALS ONLY / NO AGENTS doesn't actually mean anything nowadays? Thanks again!!

Hi BP! Last year I teamed up with my longtime buddy and purchased a 4 bedroom (single family detach) house near campus while we are finishing up our degrees.

We use 2 bedrooms for quiet living/study, and offer the other 2 furnished for temporary bed & breakfast stays. Last year we  limited ourselves to advertising on airbnb and off campus housing. Usually we only ended up to renting out to 1 lodger at any given time, without woes.  And the 4th bedroom ending up for guests as we each have big families who sometime visit LA from east coast, etc.

But this year we are behind on bills so we broadened to offering each/both room for single occupancy on the dreaded CL and other sites.

I'm shocked that most of the callers we have gotten so far, rather than have questions about the rooms, are actually so far just ones that go straight into stating that they do not meet our listed description/requirements (ie, male owners looking male roommates) but 'here's why you cannot refuse considering us anyway.." followed by robotically reading some script/quote such as from the NHA, FHA or ADA.

Here's a log of just 5 recent calls to date:

1. 'We are 2 couples are you cannot limit it to 1 person per bedroom as that's discriminating family status or family size!)'

2, 'I'm an agent and I have a qualified disabled person to stay for just a month or two but you're not handicap-equipped are you?' (No? Well you will have to modify your bathroom and furnishings permanently for my client for his 2-month stay, then, per FHA)'

3,  I'm an agent  with a mother and her special needs high school daughter (so if you refuse to share your home, bath, and kitchen with females you're violating ADA)

4. I see you dont accept pets but I'd keep my support dog locked in the bedroom at all times and his barking won't disturb your studies (and she's not a pet that's why you can't refuse to consider me since I'm disabled).

5. I'm an agent with a lady and her baby and you cannot refuse renting your room to a lady with a child and by the way the bed in one room would have to go in storage from the looks of the pic to make room for the baby's crib, walker, etc.

Usually the calls go on with the caller repeating their scripted quotes and how refusal to show them our room will result in visits from 'officials' and charges filed etc.. all within a total call duration of just 1-2 mins or so (while we reiterate we're not okay with co-ed bathrooming in our household, nor making modications as we're probably relocating after graduation).

Of course, we are compassionate about persons with disabilities but since when did offering a spare room or two in our own household turn into some sort of implied legal 'boxing ring' climate?

Especially agents- do some have nothing better to do than apparently target individual resident proprietors (rather than property managers, landlords, etc who are likely more family with tenant laws)?? Again, I didn't have this nuisance last year but then again last year we didnt list on CL, etc. Is it something in the air? Chemtrails? GMOs?! Trump?!? =L

Or perhaps because in 'today's economy'  it because room rentals are cheaper than renting out entire apartments and now litigious folks have found ways to 'take over your home' by using whatever Act or statute to argue they can squeeze in an extra person or two each room (or their family) into our house kitchen and bathroom? It's frightening to see how many homeless are piling up on the streets here in CA each day more; we dont expect to stick around after grad if this ambiance keeps up.

So like, aren't we entitled to offer each of our 2 available bedrooms for single occupancy only? We don't wanna deal with hearing couples fighting (lovers' quarrel etc) while studying, etc.

Aren't we entitled to limit sharing out kitchen and bathroom with the same sex/gender? Or with trans and disability movements etc and what not are we now required to just be okay with co-ed bathrooms, our bedroom used as a baby nursery, or our own bathroom structurally customized per temporary lodger's preferences?! (If so, where does it say that?!)

One agent pointed out that its because we're lookiing for '2' roommates or '2' rooms rented out and so that means we have to comply with ADA and HUD(?!).. and when I stated our household is 4 bedrooms total and proprietor-occupied we just finished renovating our bath as it is, it robotically replied that it didnt matter and we have to handicap-modify our bathroom if we want to rent out more than 1 bedroom in our house at the same time (is that true?!). I could swear I read somewhere that ADA doesn't apply to less than 5 bedrooms and is proprietor-occupied. Shouldn't a licensed agent know more about this than laymen?!

Anyways, just thought I'd rant about my experience which brought me here in my first post here, getting it off my chest!

Thanks in advance for your input BP..